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« Reply #144 on: June 24, 2019, 12:12:44 pm »
I wouldn't know about Jack in the Box or Stewart's as we don't have those in our area of Kentucky or if they were ever here they have long gone out.
Again when the franchises were bought they were bought as a  KFC,  why is that hard for you to understand? It would be the same if I bought into a Dairy Queen or Little Ceasar, you are buying a restaurant and using that name. KFC was sold in 1960's to John Y. Brown and he then ran it for a while. Almost all restaurants are a franchise with a person buying and using that name. Obviously it was a new concept to you as most of the KFC'S around here have been here longer than I have and long before 1964, according to one of the managers of the one that a friend's son works at. They just remodeled it because it was desperately needed.

The point was the franchise was sold as KFC, but the chicken was sold in an existing established restaurant, not their own. You don't have to own a building to own a franchise. Kinda like Carvel Ice Cream is sold in a supermarket or a Friendly's restaurant. They don't have their own stores anymore, but it is still a Carvel Franchise. Not a new concept.

They need more than remodeling. As I said before, there are very few left up north. The couple that are left share a building with Taco Bell or another restaurant owned by the same company.

When my wife sold her restautaurant her business and business name was sold separately from the real estate and building.

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« Reply #145 on: June 24, 2019, 12:13:43 pm »
Jack in the Box was a big deal in California when I was out there in the 1980s , they exist all over North Carolina today and have since like 2001...
Had a few here in FLA but they didn't survive even though most were 24/7 operations. That company had a E-coli problem  in the mid 90's that was deadly for a few kids and affected a thousand or so adults.


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« Reply #146 on: June 24, 2019, 12:16:10 pm »
LMAO, you're arguing about Colonel Sanders with someone who actually knew him.

BTW when I was traveling throughout KY and the rest of Appalachia, I actually stopped in the original Sanders store and it wasn't much to look at.

So the correct answer is that there were two KFC's, the Sanders KFC and the John Y Brown KFC which eventually included the actual Harland Sanders, it's a long and complicated story because hillbilly's are involved. This stuff can be googled__no reason to get it wrong.

Yeah, I know. I'm just having a little fun.

That's what I'm trying to get at. Two KFCs

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« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2019, 12:32:05 pm »
Yeah, I know. I'm just having a little fun.

That's what I'm trying to get at. Two KFCs
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« Reply #148 on: June 24, 2019, 12:32:28 pm »
The point was the franchise was sold as KFC, but the chicken was sold in an existing established restaurant, not their own. You don't have to own a building to own a franchise. Kinda like Carvel Ice Cream is sold in a supermarket or a Friendly's restaurant. They don't have their own stores anymore, but it is still a Carvel Franchise. Not a new concept.

They need more than remodeling. As I said before, there are very few left up north. The couple that are left share a building with Taco Bell or another restaurant owned by the same company.

When my wife sold her restautaurant her business and business name was sold separately from the real estate and building.
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« Reply #149 on: June 24, 2019, 12:33:56 pm »
Yep and now they have made the one in Corbin, Ky that Sanders started as a museum and I think a hotel or it was a hotel at one time. It isn't much and I wouldn't waste my time going to it.
Yep, John Y. Brown made KFC famous after he bought it and then he sold it, I am not sure if that is when the YUM brand bought it or not.
Pepsi and then YUM bought Pepsi. There are also large companies that own franchises for and  Popeye's, Church's and even KFC along with other brands Taco Bell and such. As I said earlier__confusing.

Here's what Teaman was talking about__independents with franchise rights to sell Kentucky Fried Chicken

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« Reply #150 on: June 24, 2019, 12:55:02 pm »
Pepsi and then YUM bought Pepsi. There are also large companies that own franchises for and  Popeye's, Church's and even KFC along with other brands Taco Bell and such. As I said earlier__confusing.

Here's what Teaman was talking about__independents with franchise rights to sell Kentucky Fried Chicken

https://www.pbase.com/donboyd/image/150926941

 I have worked at McDonalds when I was younger and my checks were not paid by McD's but the franchisee, I understand how they run. Not many big time compianies own their own restraurant and if they do it is in the big places like Chicago etc...

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« Reply #151 on: June 24, 2019, 12:57:32 pm »
Pepsi and then YUM bought Pepsi. There are also large companies that own franchises for and  Popeye's, Church's and even KFC along with other brands Taco Bell and such. As I said earlier__confusing.

Here's what Teaman was talking about__independents with franchise rights to sell Kentucky Fried Chicken

https://www.pbase.com/donboyd/image/150926941
I couldn't remember when Pepsi owned it and whether they were bought by YUM brand or vice versa. I have a friend who owns the Popeye's and Taco John's here, actually it is a strange situation on that one. She owns the Popeye's and her ex husband owns the Taco John's.  Lol
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« Reply #152 on: June 24, 2019, 01:09:38 pm »
I have worked at McDonalds when I was younger and my checks were not paid by McD's but the franchisee, I understand how they run. Not many big time compianies own their own restraurant and if they do it is in the big places like Chicago etc...
Yep, I had a cousin who worked as a district manager at one time for McDonald's.  His was paid by the franchisee and not the corporation. 
Wasn't at one time Wendy's known as Judy's. Hardee's is known as Carl's Drive In, in some places,  I believe. 
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« Reply #153 on: June 24, 2019, 01:24:50 pm »
I have worked at McDonalds when I was younger and my checks were not paid by McD's but the franchisee, I understand how they run. Not many big time compianies own their own restraurant and if they do it is in the big places like Chicago etc...
Correct and then it's also regional__McDonald's, early on had company stores operating in the more populated areas and onesy twosy franchisee's out in the sticks. That changed over time and with the commissary set up all the locations use these days it's hard to tell the franchises from the company stores thus the current court battles regarding employee poaching.

As for KFC, the bulk of it's company stores, while having some dine in seating, were more set up for take out and that concept was perfect for the time. So perfect that there were actually independents selling dine in KFC right around the corner from company owned take out stores and both doing well__people liked that chicken__a lot!


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« Reply #154 on: June 24, 2019, 01:28:47 pm »
Correct and then it's also regional__McDonald's, early on had company stores operating in the more populated areas and onesy twosy franchisee's out in the sticks. That changed over time and with the commissary set up all the locations use these days it's hard to tell the franchises from the company stores thus the current court battles regarding employee poaching.

As for KFC, the bulk of it's company stores, while having some dine in seating, were more set up for take out and that concept was perfect for the time. So perfect that there were actually independents selling dine in KFC right around the corner from company owned take out stores and both doing well__people liked that chicken__a lot!
It seems a lot of those restaurants have lost the quality of the food when some people started owning them. I think they were looking for get rich schemes and not about the taste and quality of the food to be served.
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« Reply #155 on: June 24, 2019, 01:31:06 pm »
Yep, I had a cousin who worked as a district manager at one time for McDonald's.  His was paid by the franchisee and not the corporation. 
Wasn't at one time Wendy's known as Judy's. Hardee's is known as Carl's Drive In, in some places,  I believe.
On Dave Thomas (from wiki)

In the mid-1950s, Kentucky Fried Chicken founder Col. Harland Sanders came to Fort Wayne to find restaurateurs with established businesses in order to try to sell KFC franchises to them. At first, Thomas, who was the head cook at a restaurant, and the Clauss family declined Sanders's offer, but Sanders persisted, and the Clauss family franchised their restaurant with KFC and later also owned many other KFC franchises in the Midwest. During this time, Thomas worked with Sanders on many projects to make KFC more profitable and to give it brand recognition. Among other things Thomas suggested to Sanders, that were implemented, was that KFC reduce the number of items on the menu and focus on a signature dish. Thomas also suggested Sanders make commercials that he appear in. Thomas was sent by the Clauss family in the mid-1960s to help turn around four failing KFC stores they owned in Columbus, Ohio.[citation needed]

By 1968 Thomas had increased sales in the four fried chicken restaurants so much that he sold his share in them back to Sanders for more than $1.5 million.[7] This experience would prove invaluable to Thomas when he began Wendy's about a year later.

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« Reply #156 on: June 24, 2019, 01:41:56 pm »
On Dave Thomas (from wiki)

In the mid-1950s, Kentucky Fried Chicken founder Col. Harland Sanders came to Fort Wayne to find restaurateurs with established businesses in order to try to sell KFC franchises to them. At first, Thomas, who was the head cook at a restaurant, and the Clauss family declined Sanders's offer, but Sanders persisted, and the Clauss family franchised their restaurant with KFC and later also owned many other KFC franchises in the Midwest. During this time, Thomas worked with Sanders on many projects to make KFC more profitable and to give it brand recognition. Among other things Thomas suggested to Sanders, that were implemented, was that KFC reduce the number of items on the menu and focus on a signature dish. Thomas also suggested Sanders make commercials that he appear in. Thomas was sent by the Clauss family in the mid-1960s to help turn around four failing KFC stores they owned in Columbus, Ohio.[citation needed]

By 1968 Thomas had increased sales in the four fried chicken restaurants so much that he sold his share in them back to Sanders for more than $1.5 million.[7] This experience would prove invaluable to Thomas when he began Wendy's about a year later.

So small world eh?
I also read that either Dave or John Y. Brown was the one who suggested the rotating bucket for the KFC.
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« Reply #157 on: June 24, 2019, 01:58:54 pm »
I also read that either Dave or John Y. Brown was the one who suggested the rotating bucket for the KFC.
For a guy with very little education Thomas did pretty well in the marketing end.

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« Reply #158 on: June 24, 2019, 02:02:50 pm »
Yep, I had a cousin who worked as a district manager at one time for McDonald's.  His was paid by the franchisee and not the corporation. 
Wasn't at one time Wendy's known as Judy's. Hardee's is known as Carl's Drive In, in some places,  I believe.

Carl's Jr which is basically the West Coast Hardee's. Carl's Jr was independant back in the 80s when I was out there but they were the exact same thing as Hardee's, I used Carl's Jr more than any other fast food restraunts because I like roast beef and hot dogs...

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« Reply #159 on: June 24, 2019, 02:10:58 pm »
For a guy with very little education Thomas did pretty well in the marketing end.
Yep, I think all he had was a high school education. Sad he passed away in 2002.
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« Reply #160 on: June 24, 2019, 02:11:52 pm »
Carl's Jr which is basically the West Coast Hardee's. Carl's Jr was independant back in the 80s when I was out there but they were the exact same thing as Hardee's, I used Carl's Jr more than any other fast food restraunts because I like roast beef and hot dogs...
I thought it was the same but wasn't sure. We use to have a Burger Chef which was Burger King. 
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« Reply #161 on: June 24, 2019, 02:29:10 pm »
Another restaurant that beats KFC in the locations it serves is Bojangles, based in Charlotte. Big deal in the Carolinas, Bojangles just came to WV about five years ago. They are better than Popeyes...

 

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