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« Reply #486 on: June 29, 2019, 01:06:39 pm »
I saw that. The same with the stealth fighter. 911 Was simply blowing up a building. That was a number of people in a single place opposed to a number of people in numerous places. No moving parts other than the other part of flying planes into a building. How were the personnel in the Pentagon fooled?

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No idea Teaman. I just brought up my story to tell how military secrets work from everyones past conversation. How everyone has a job, but do not always know the details of that job to prevent leaks.

On 911, that was a horrible loss with many still suffering, and for me to speculate on anything other than the Intel was missed, and terrorist accomplished what they set out to do would be minimizing the deaths of so manys. That day changed things forever for all of us.

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« Reply #487 on: June 29, 2019, 01:19:52 pm »
No idea Teaman. I just brought up my story to tell how military secrets work from everyones past conversation. How everyone has a job, but do not always know the details of that job to prevent leaks.

On 911, that was a horrible loss with many still suffering, and for me to speculate on anything other than the Intel was missed, and terrorist accomplished what they set out to do would be minimizing the deaths of so manys. That day changed things forever for all of us.

You hit on one of the problems. Missed intelligence. Agencies not talking to each other. Homeland security was created and it seems like agencies are still not talking to each other.

I went up to ground zero after the collapse. Heart-wrenching.

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« Reply #488 on: June 29, 2019, 01:29:55 pm »
I don't think that at all. Read again. I was attempting to demonstrate how ridiculous Weepy" conspiracy is. How could they not see the enormous amount of det cord or explosive charges and the opening of walls and ceilings to place these devices?
The towers were hit and no cord or explosive charges were in the buildings but with the impact of the buildings being hit caused them to explode.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/cause-world-trade-center-collapse.htm

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« Reply #489 on: June 29, 2019, 01:31:58 pm »
You hit on one of the problems. Missed intelligence. Agencies not talking to each other. Homeland security was created and it seems like agencies are still not talking to each other.

I went up to ground zero after the collapse. Heart-wrenching.
Homeland security didn't start until after that. Osama bin Laden could have been taken out when Clinton was President and he refused to do so. Oliver North said then that bin Laden would cause issues and he did. We should have let Oliver have the go ahead to.blow him up.

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« Reply #490 on: June 29, 2019, 01:35:40 pm »
No idea Teaman. I just brought up my story to tell how military secrets work from everyones past conversation. How everyone has a job, but do not always know the details of that job to prevent leaks.

On 911, that was a horrible loss with many still suffering, and for me to speculate on anything other than the Intel was missed, and terrorist accomplished what they set out to do would be minimizing the deaths of so manys. That day changed things forever for all of us.

U.S. had had some prior warnings about bombings. USS Cole and in 1993, the bombing at Trade Center
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« Reply #491 on: June 29, 2019, 01:38:21 pm »
I don't think that at all. Read again. I was attempting to demonstrate how ridiculous Weepy" conspiracy is. How could they not see the enormous amount of det cord or explosive charges and the opening of walls and ceilings to place these devices?

Again, you read but you do not comprehend. Things can be done in front of you and you wil have no clue what it is..

I will take the word of scientists that know their schidt over a teabagger reading a think tank article written for political purposes anyday..

Anyway until the release of the film  of the 1st plane crash and the Pentagon hit is released and not hidden from public view, I will always believe in underhanded activity such as "allowing the attack to occur" which would put the blame on the clowns in charge of the US govt on that day. It could turn out to be incompetence but that still will not absolve the GWB admin of fault

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« Reply #492 on: June 29, 2019, 01:41:49 pm »
Homeland security didn't start until after that. Osama bin Laden could have been taken out when Clinton was President and he refused to do so. Oliver North said then that bin Laden would cause issues and he did. We should have let Oliver have the go ahead to.blow him up.

I know. Homeland Security was created after the missed intelligence that could have stopped 911.

You're right about Clinton. I recall a program that had a CIA operative say he had the opportunity to assassinate Bin Laden and requested permission to do so. Not only was he refused, but he also faced disciplinary actions for wanting to assassinate him.

I remember Ollie North wanting a security fence around his house because of Bin Laden. He got a lot of ridicule for it.

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« Reply #493 on: June 29, 2019, 01:42:10 pm »
U.S. had had some prior warnings about bombings. USS Cole and in 1993, the bombing at Trade Center

And they were given to the GWB administration upon the transition period, it was the responsibility of GWB after 1/20/01. He decided to do nothing about it and manypeople died. OBL was not Id'd as the Cole attacker until GWB became president. OBL was a CIA asset in the GHWB days, whatever happened there I dunno...

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« Reply #494 on: June 29, 2019, 01:43:36 pm »
Homeland security didn't start until after that. Osama bin Laden could have been taken out when Clinton was President and he refused to do so. Oliver North said then that bin Laden would cause issues and he did. We should have let Oliver have the go ahead to.blow him up.

Clinton tried but he ran out of time, GWB became tesponsible and refused to go after him, thus 9/11 happened...

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« Reply #495 on: June 29, 2019, 01:44:09 pm »
The towers were hit and no cord or explosive charges were in the buildings but with the impact of the buildings being hit caused them to explode.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/cause-world-trade-center-collapse.htm

Exactly. no evidence of placed explosives. 911 conspiracies are ridiculous.

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« Reply #496 on: June 29, 2019, 01:50:08 pm »
And they were given to the GWB administration upon the transition period, it was the responsibility of GWB after 1/20/01. He decided to do nothing about it and manypeople died. OBL was not Id'd as the Cole attacker until GWB became president. OBL was a CIA asset in the GHWB days, whatever happened there I dunno...
Point being is Clinton could have and didn't before Bush. I don't think it really matters but at least Obama got SEAL team 6 to get him. I was in Norfolk when that happened,  couldn't get off the base for several days afterwards.

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« Reply #497 on: June 29, 2019, 01:54:41 pm »
Point being is Clinton could have and didn't before Bush. I don't think it really matters but at least Obama got SEAL team 6 to get him. I was in Norfolk when that happened,  couldn't get off the base for several days afterwards.

And the GOP was jealous of Obama for taking him out and tried to smear and slander  the outfit that did so, his admin took Gadaffi(sp) out and became bitter...

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« Reply #498 on: June 29, 2019, 01:57:07 pm »
Again, you read but you do not comprehend. Things can be done in front of you and you wil have no clue what it is..

I will take the word of scientists that know their schidt over a teabagger reading a think tank article written for political purposes anyday..

Anyway until the release of the film  of the 1st plane crash and the Pentagon hit is released and not hidden from public view, I will always believe in underhanded activity such as "allowing the attack to occur" which would put the blame on the clowns in charge of the US govt on that day. It could turn out to be incompetence but that still will not absolve the GWB admin of fault

The first plane. Holy shyt!



You sound like you're anti government. Are you anti government?

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« Reply #499 on: June 29, 2019, 02:02:30 pm »
Point being is Clinton could have and didn't before Bush. I don't think it really matters but at least Obama got SEAL team 6 to get him. I was in Norfolk when that happened,  couldn't get off the base for several days afterwards.

And, that's a good thing. Getting Bin Laden that is.  I would hate to be stuck in Norfolk.  :)

Have you seen the movie Zero Dark Thirty?

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« Reply #500 on: June 29, 2019, 02:02:39 pm »
And the GOP was jealous of Obama for taking him out and tried to smear and slander  the outfit that did so, his admin took Gadaffi(sp) out and became bitter...
Yep

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« Reply #501 on: June 29, 2019, 02:03:14 pm »
And, that's a good thing. Getting Bin Laden that is.  I would hate to be stuck in Norfolk.  :)

Have you seen the movie Zero Dark Thirty?
Norfolk is one of the better bases to be stuck at.

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« Reply #502 on: June 29, 2019, 02:04:11 pm »
The first plane. Holy shyt!



You sound like you're anti government. Are you anti government?

That proved nothing and that was released a couple months afterwards, I seen a grainy pic of the Pentagon but it proved nothing. The FBI seized the local films trained on the Pentagon from local businesses and eith destroyed or locked up...

There were fn cameras all over that city that could have captured that, they are not shown. Why is that? It should have been taken immediately

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« Reply #503 on: June 29, 2019, 02:07:20 pm »
And the GOP was jealous of Obama for taking him out and tried to smear and slander  the outfit that did so, his admin took Gadaffi(sp) out and became bitter...

So now the commander in chief knows every little thing? Hats off to Obama for approving the raid. That took some backbone. I don't remember any slander against Seal Team 6.   

Gadaffi was taken out without congressional approval. Why was it Okay then and not now?