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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2019, 09:52:34 pm »
Southern Tier's seasonal Pumking makes it down here, not sure about the others.
The Pumking coffee is pretty good, I really like their IPA.

I'm still a diehard Labatt Blue drinker though.
The price is right and I can drink it all day without a hangover.
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2019, 09:56:31 pm »
heh heh
Sometimes you just have to smile and shake your head.

I was watching the local news when I was posting the other night. The AFL-CIO and a few NYC politicians are trying to push a bill to unionize farm help here. If they succeed it will be the end of every small farm in the state.

Anyway, our local news based in Buffalo sent a roving reporter out to gather public opinion. They managed to find a yokel with about 5 maybe 6 teeth and he did his best to explain how those illegal Puerto Ricans were asking for more money than they were worth and that is why the wall is so important!

I've heard several versions of the same story at different times from different people, this guy was dead serious.

I've got to say, the characters in the South Park cartoons ain't got nothin' on us Western New Yorkers.

Concerning the Wall, Arizona was swarmed with illegal imigrants, news stories showed how that state became ruined, vacant homes deteriating, crime, drugs, just an abundance of illegals. 30 or more people living in one home, causinf havoc everywhere. The locals
were not having it, and the illegals were kicked out. Now they spread all over the place from state to state.

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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2019, 10:05:33 pm »
Concerning the Wall, Arizona was swarmed with illegal imigrants, news stories showed how that state became ruined, vacant homes deteriating, crime, drugs, just an abundance of illegals. 30 or more people living in one home, causinf havoc everywhere. The locals
were not having it, and the illegals were kicked out. Now they spread all over the place from state to state.
I know, it is a serious concern here and in England and I suppose in Germany too.

Where I live we really haven't been affected by the illegals. I know people up here would start a revolt like you speak of in Az.

I wish I had an answer for it, moreover I wish a competent Politician would solve it.
That's what we elect them to do.
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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2019, 10:58:35 pm »
I know, it is a serious concern here and in England and I suppose in Germany too.

Where I live we really haven't been affected by the illegals. I know people up here would start a revolt like you speak of in Az.

I wish I had an answer for it, moreover I wish a competent Politician would solve it.
That's what we elect them to do.

They suck up all the resources, its coming to a head now, so I think something will be done.

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« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2019, 05:56:53 pm »


Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost America? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
"Frankly absurd," said one immigration policy expert of Trump's false claims that illegal immigration costs the U.S. more than $200 billion per year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

Trump says undocumented immigrants are an economic burden. They pay billions in taxes.
Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015. They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes

Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/
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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2019, 10:33:52 am »

Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost America? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
"Frankly absurd," said one immigration policy expert of Trump's false claims that illegal immigration costs the U.S. more than $200 billion per year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

Trump says undocumented immigrants are an economic burden. They pay billions in taxes.
Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015. They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes

Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/

The GAO study in 1995 disagrees. I don't imagine it has gotten any better with the recent influx of illegals.

https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133

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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2019, 11:03:57 am »
The GAO study in 1995 disagrees. I don't imagine it has gotten any better with the recent influx of illegals.

https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133
I believe many Republicans would find material to dispute the facts of today, but 1995 would be outdated. I'd be more inclined to read one of their recent studies.

Afternoon Teaman, and everyone!

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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2019, 11:38:48 am »
I believe many Republicans would find material to dispute the facts of today, but 1995 would be outdated. I'd be more inclined to read one of their recent studies.

Afternoon Teaman, and everyone!

True. There is probably no way of determining an accurate accounting. Trump's figure derives from a report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. I  don't know if that's right wing, as you say, or not. That report was published in 2016. A review of the report indicates figures can be manipulated either way. I suppose the biggest cost is the driving down of wages.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/09/immigration-national-academies-sciences-report-fiscal-economic-impact-native-born/

Afternoon, DuckieDoll. Where are you? It's still morning here.

 

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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2019, 05:41:45 pm »
The GAO study in 1995 disagrees. I don't imagine it has gotten any better with the recent influx of illegals.

https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133
This is a joke right? 1995? And you can't imagine?

The highest ever was 2000 and lowest in decades was during Obama.

C'mon pal don't you ever think about what you post? Or check?

This here is real (note date)

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs
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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2019, 07:13:52 pm »
This is a joke right? 1995? And you can't imagine?

The highest ever was 2000 and lowest in decades was during Obama.

C'mon pal don't you ever think about what you post? Or check?

This here is real (note date)

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs

I believe the subject was Trump's claim that illegal immigrants cost us about 200 billion dollars a year.


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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2019, 07:45:11 pm »
This is a joke right? 1995? And you can't imagine?

The highest ever was 2000 and lowest in decades was during Obama.

C'mon pal don't you ever think about what you post? Or check?

This here is real (note date)

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs

No his type are very bad about thinking or checking, too much work...
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« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2019, 10:11:54 pm »
True. There is probably no way of determining an accurate accounting. Trump's figure derives from a report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. I  don't know if that's right wing, as you say, or not. That report was published in 2016. A review of the report indicates figures can be manipulated either way. I suppose the biggest cost is the driving down of wages.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/09/immigration-national-academies-sciences-report-fiscal-economic-impact-native-born/

Afternoon, DuckieDoll. Where are you? It's still morning here.
Sorry about the mix up Teaman. I'm a dumb a ss before noon 😂 I'm EST, I was just to lazy to modify my afternoon, to morning LoL

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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2019, 10:35:10 pm »
No his type are very bad about thinking or checking, too much work...

It seems your type can't read. Whether it's 1995 or the 2017 report, illegals don't raise enough revenue to overcome their costs.

Trump used figures from the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report. Take it up with them.
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« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2019, 10:39:20 pm »
It seems your type can't read. Whether it's 1995 or the 2017 report, illegals don't raise enough revenue to overcome their costs.

Trump used figures from the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report. Take it up with them.

No I am correct when it comes to you...

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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2019, 10:44:04 pm »

Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost America? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
"Frankly absurd," said one immigration policy expert of Trump's false claims that illegal immigration costs the U.S. more than $200 billion per year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

Trump says undocumented immigrants are an economic burden. They pay billions in taxes.
Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015. They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes

Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/

Illegal immigrants don't belong here, they are illegal, get a clue!

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Re: Mayor Pete 2020!
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2019, 10:45:44 pm »
The GAO study in 1995 disagrees. I don't imagine it has gotten any better with the recent influx of illegals.

https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133

Oops I was posting on TP's comment not yours, sorry.

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« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2019, 11:37:25 pm »
No I am correct when it comes to you...

I am not the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Sciences. Their figures, not mine. 

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« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2019, 08:45:24 am »
I believe the subject was Trump's claim that illegal immigrants cost us about 200 billion dollars a year.
Here's what you linked, a National Review piece

What Does the National Academies’ Immigration Report Really Say?
By GEORGE J. BORJAS
September 22, 2016 11:30 PM (Take note of date)

You linked a contributor at the National Review using 20 year old data to explain a current problem.

Who falls for sht like that? Borjas is an expert on the subject, certainly he didn't need to cherry pick
data to make his point.