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I find it very odd, how these people in power try to justify their wars.
In the case of Trump and Iran, I’m not sure I would classify it as odd. It’s more like arrogant and self serving, chest pounding, buffoon behavior. Except, it completely backfired on him because as of yet, he’s gained nothing and neither have we as a nation. The sooner he’s gone, the better off we’ll be. I just pray there’s enough left of our great nation to undo his damage.

He’s a horror story. Can you even imagine what our grandchildren and their grandchildren will read about him in history books?
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"For more than a decade, Republicans have told the American people that Barack Obama’s nuclear agreement with Iran was a historic mistake.

I should know. I was the Obama administration’s senior official at the State Department working with the US House of Representatives to get that deal – the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) – done.

Not a day went by when Republicans didn’t haul up administration officials to Congress to demand answers about the negotiations. I organised those briefings and hearings. We gave answers, but it was never good enough for the Republicans. They believed that they could do it better.

Donald Trump built an entire political narrative around those attacks, culminating in his 2018 decision to withdraw the United States from the agreement.

Now, we see the results.

Back then, Republicans called it appeasement, and weakness, to cut a deal with Iran. They said it endangered America, abandoned our allies and paved Iran’s path to a nuclear weapon. They invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Washington in March 2015 to attack the deal from the House floor.

After 11 years of relentless criticism, what has Trump given us? A weaker deal than the one they destroyed. This one isn’t even yet a binding agreement, and the US has already committed to giving billions of dollars to Iran through sanctions relief and cash payments. Overturning four-plus decades of economic pressure for pinky promises is downright baffling and deeply dangerous.

The logic of using sanctions in American foreign policy on Iran was always that they could be traded for concrete concessions. Instead, we’re paying Iran. It makes no sense. That reality should not just be politically embarrassing. It should force a serious reckoning. This is one of the most consequential foreign policy mistakes of the last decade.

We are terminating our pressure on the Iranians, giving them economic wins in exchange for nothing more than the vague promise to not build nuclear weapons that they’ve been making since they signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968 – a promise that they haven’t kept. We’re giving up calling on the regime to not slaughter its own people, we are treating Lebanon like a vassal state that we can hand to Hezbollah and we are arguing that Iran should have ballistic missile capabilities the likes of which enabled them to bomb nearly a dozen of their neighbours these past months.

I remember the debate over the Iran deal vividly. I lived it.

Back then, I was serving as a senior official at the State Department working on foreign policy issues, having spent over a decade in public service, including during the Clinton and Bush administrations. I had seen up close how presidents dealt with problems. In the Obama administration, I watched first hand as diplomats, scientists, military experts and intelligence professionals wrestled with one of the most difficult national security challenges facing the United States. Nobody believed Iran would stop engaging in destabilising activities throughout the region. We faced the same challenges as today, but we dealt with them in a structured methodical way. No one can claim the same for how Trump is handling these talks, as he vacillates between diplomacy and military threats, unable to make up his mind on the best path."
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Howdy Folks! Hope you’re all doing well and enjoying your Summer!

So, I invested in what I hope will be a worthwhile endeavor. I watch my grandchildren while my son and DIL work. When they’re at the barn or elsewhere on this farm, they can’t hear me when I call for them. Sometimes I’ll ring the large dinner bell and they’ll all come running. I figured it would be nice if I had a way to contact which one I needed and explain what I needed. I hate to call for all 3 when I only have a simple question for one of them. So, I invested in Walkie Talkies. They’ll each have one they can clip on and go wherever they want and I can reach them for whatever I need. It’ll be so much simpler for all of us. Hope it works like I anticipate. Of course, I realize they’ll lose one or break one or whatever and that’s ok. It’ll be much easier for now anyway.

I’ve read thru the comments here and they’re interesting.
I love this and think it is a great investment.
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Thanks Guys! I’m looking forward to trying them out today.
We had walkie talkies on our farm also. You will find them such an asset and a great way to stay in touch!
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Well now, that can't be. They are all poor and taxed to death in the EU. just ask fox news
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BREAKING: House Republican gets humiliated bragging about a new bill, completely unaware Trump just announced he won't sign it!
Talk about perfect timing for maximum embarrassment!
Standing before the assembled press, Republican Whip Tom Emmer righteously intoned that House Republicans are “the party that governs and delivers” because “that’s what the American people sent us here to do.”
Oops, make that except when Donald Trump is president, and capable of torpedoing bills without any warning or explanation.
This morning, the president suddenly canceled the signing ceremony for a bipartisan housing bill that would expand affordable housing and help first-time homebuyers, leaving Republicans looking foolish and completely disconnected from their own leader.
Seems Trump is so obsessed with the dead-in-the-water SAVE act that he won’t sign anything unless it gets passed first.
House Democrats pounced on the chaos. Rep. Ted Lieu mocked:
“All of a sudden, Donald Trump decides he’s not coming to sign the bill. Well, why is that? Did he wake up on the wrong side of the bed?”
Affordable housing leaders were furious, since some had already received invitations and were traveling to the Capitol when they learned Trump killed the event at the last minute.
Welcome to MAGA governance under the Orange One. Republican legislators strut around pretending they’re getting things done, only for Trump to treat them like irrelevant props and pull the rug out whenever he feels like it.
No coordination, no leadership – just pure ego and incompetence.
We admit it’s fun to watch preening House Republicans, thinking they are pleasing the Don, instead get publicly humiliated by his counterproductive stubbornness, but on the other hand it's indicative of the rot that has infiltrated the whole system of governance in Washington.
Fun as it is to watch, this all needs to stop. Congress has to get back in the business of responsible governance under Democratic leadership.
The Republicans have had their chance under Trump, and incidents like this make clear why his administration is such an pitiable failure.
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Trump cancels Housing bill signing demanding action on elections

If I can't rig and steal elections I won't do anything I guess

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Judge blocks Trump admin. from getting medical records of minors who received gender identity care at NYC hospitals
A federal judge has temporarily blocked the Trump administration from obtaining sensitive medical records from healthcare institutions in New York City that provided gender identity care to minors ...
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“The scope of information sought by the government here, which includes medical assessments, diagnoses, informed consent records, and revelation of plaintiffs’ transgender status, is significant,” she said, adding that that type of information is “squarely within the class of intimate materials warranting the strongest constitutional protection.”

“Because I cannot conceive of a crime that would require the breadth of disclosures in the subpoena – identifying and sensitive medical information for an entire class of people for a six-year period – I have to find that the government’s interest does not outweigh the plaintiffs’ interest in privacy,” Failla said.

In siding against the administration, the judge pointed to statements made by Justice Department attorneys to her a day earlier that appeared to leave open the possibility that prosecutors may use the records to criminally pursue patients or their parents.


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Failla pointed to those rulings on Wednesday, saying prosecutors were clearly attempting to get around the adverse rulings by now using grand jury subpoenas, which are generally more difficult to block in court.

“Undeterred by its disastrous showing in the courts, DOJ decided to issue nearly identical document requests in the form of grand jury subpoenas,” she said, going on to criticize the government’s “efforts to recast discredited civil administrative subpoenas as grand jury subpoenas from a hand-picked, far-away jurisdiction in order to minimize judicial review of constitutional infirmities.”

“Patients and families trust their doctors with their most intimate, private information and should trust in turn that this information will be protected from impermissible and harassing demands for disclosure from the federal government or anyone else,” ACLU attorney Strangio said in a statement.
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https://www.newsweek.com/only-25-of-americans-think-us-won-iran-war-new-poll-shows-12111555

Who are those 25%?  What did we gain?  Are we getting a better deal than we had?  Posi and Teaman?  I am serious, what more are we gonna get?

I don't like Iran, but I just think attacking them was a bridge too far, unless they were close to getting a nuke, and if they were so close, then you go all in, with troops and level the whole place, if need be, and don't eff around with just bombing them by air.
You can assume what you want about Teaman and I but I happen to know more about the Iran deal than anybody else on this board and that still isn't much but I also have much much closer connections to Trumps White House than anybody here as well and I am better informed....   So no, I don't belong in your camp..
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Lost their leaders including the Ayatollah. Most, if not all, of their nuclear scientists are gone. Army and Air Force decimated.  Uranium enrichment ceased. Economy in peril. It's difficult to conflict with their government enrichment program while looking after the interests of their public. I don't think there is a winner or loser in a situation like this. If they stop their nuclear weapons ambitions and their enriched uranium is destroyed, it's a win.
It will be a much bigger win when we look at that dust and determine where it came from.....
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Trump orders DOJ to investigate oil companies over high gas prices

I guess it had nothing to do with his war.
It's a  guess..
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