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Epstein, Suicide or murder
« on: August 12, 2019, 05:15:31 am »
Just wondering what others think, my personal opinion is he took the cowards way out. After all anyone who diddles kids is not very manly, glad the loser is dead tho
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Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2019, 01:33:40 pm »
Found this, been looking for a place to post it.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/27/us/florida-center-is-a-crossroads-for-runaways.html

This is an archived article, I didn't get a paywall.  Note date, 1983, which was a time when both  laws and public opinions were very much different than today. As a for instance, in 1983 19 year old's could legally consume alcohol in Florida both beer and mixed drinks. Many of the clubs were lax on checking ID's and younger kids would often be served.


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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2019, 02:18:51 pm »
Found this, been looking for a place to post it.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/27/us/florida-center-is-a-crossroads-for-runaways.html

This is an archived article, I didn't get a paywall.  Note date, 1983, which was a time when both  laws and public opinions were very much different than today. As a for instance, in 1983 19 year old's could legally consume alcohol in Florida both beer and mixed drinks. Many of the clubs were lax on checking ID's and younger kids would often be served.
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Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2019, 03:12:02 pm »
Just wondering what others think, my personal opinion is he took the cowards way out. After all anyone who diddles kids is not very manly, glad the loser is dead tho
I agree that he tokk the coward's way out. I am not like some who believe he is still alive. Child molesters and child murders life expectancy in prison is relatively short.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2019, 04:50:58 pm »
I agree that he tokk the coward's way out. I am not like some who believe he is still alive. Child molesters and child murders life expectancy in prison is relatively short.
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably **** a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.


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Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2019, 06:33:59 am »
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably **** a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2019, 11:12:49 am »
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably **** a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.
Money could change things, money buys silence he in fact took the fifth in order to not incriminate any of his cronies, do you really think underage girls decided it was a good idea to give themselves to some old white guy just because he was rich
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Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2019, 01:04:01 pm »
Just wondering what others think, my personal opinion is he took the cowards way out. After all anyone who diddles kids is not very manly, glad the loser is dead tho

No doubt it was suicide as he tried once before after he was incarcerated, it is such a lifestyle change he could not be able to take and was not prepared for such knowing he was involved in criminal activity. He was safe from other average prisoners being high profile as well. My feeling is it was incompetence among the officers that allowed such to happen...

I would have preferred he lived to get to the bottom of what happened...
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2019, 10:10:35 am »
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably **** a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.

Many of us weren't much older than that themselves. I was 19 when I came back. Too young to buy a beer in San Fransisco.

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Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2019, 10:11:36 am »
No doubt it was suicide as he tried once before after he was incarcerated, it is such a lifestyle change he could not be able to take and was not prepared for such knowing he was involved in criminal activity. He was safe from other average prisoners being high profile as well. My feeling is it was incompetence among the officers that allowed such to happen...

I would have preferred he lived to get to the bottom of what happened...

It seems you're right. It's being reported the guards fell asleep.

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2019, 01:47:39 pm »
Money could change things, money buys silence he in fact took the fifth in order to not incriminate any of his cronies, do you really think underage girls decided it was a good idea to give themselves to some old white guy just because he was rich
No, not at all. I do think that those relationships began when the young ladies wanted/needed a place to go and a Palm Beach mansion beat the sht out of a trailer out off West Okeechobee.

Kinda like this, those youngsters  had choices which all included be exploited, maybe their dad, or their moms boyfriend, maybe a boyfriend.  To that youngster someone like Jeffery Epstein would be a dream come true.

Question.  Over the years there have probably been at least 100,000 dancers in FLA ****/**** clubs who were 18 years of age. What do "you" think those girls were doing when they were 17 years of age?

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2019, 04:15:18 pm »
Many of us weren't much older than that themselves. I was 19 when I came back. Too young to buy a beer in San Fransisco.
You were 19 yoa when you came back from Vietnam? How old were you when you enlisted? An if you were 17 yoa when you enlisted wtf were you thinking about?

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2019, 04:36:10 pm »
You were 19 yoa when you came back from Vietnam? How old were you when you enlisted? An if you were 17 yoa when you enlisted wtf were you thinking about?
I wondered that myself.
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2019, 05:29:06 pm »
You were 19 yoa when you came back from Vietnam? How old were you when you enlisted? An if you were 17 yoa when you enlisted wtf were you thinking about?

Just turned 18 I when enlisted.

Never registered for the draft, remember?

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2019, 05:50:59 pm »
Just turned 18 I when enlisted.

Never registered for the draft, remember?
The draft didn't end until Feb. 1973.
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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2019, 05:54:06 pm »
The draft didn't end until Feb. 1973.

Exactly. Enlisted instead of registering.
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2019, 06:04:53 pm »
My Lottery number was 325 when i was 18.

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2019, 06:14:31 pm »
My Lottery number was 325 when i was 18.

https://www.historynet.com/whats-your-number.htm
Yep, my Dad couldn't serve as he was flat footed and had a degree of deafness in his hearing. Plus, he probably was too old for that war but WW2, he was too young and Korean , he was newly married with a new baby.
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