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Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2019, 05:55:31 pm »
"...A change is coming in 2020. Gerrymandered maps are being struck down by courts across the country, and the 2018 midterm elections point to massive turnout in the next election. Republicans, clearly running scared, are preparing for the course correction by breaking, bending and reshaping the rules in an obvious attempt to make a mockery of the democratic process.

From Oregon to North Carolina, GOP lawmakers have used every dirty trick they can to seize power and undermine the power Democrats even after they win elections. They have taken Grover Norquist’s goal — to turn the tone in state capitals toward bitterness and partisanship — to heart in a major way.

“Our goal is to inflict pain. It is not enough to win. It has to be a painful, devastating defeat. Like when the king would take his opponent's head and spike it on a pole for everyone to see,” Norquist infamously said in the National Review. Except for the shock election of Donald Trump to the presidency, however, Republicans haven’t had the best record of winning of late. Based on their behavior while losing, it seems that the revised Republican goal goes beyond pain to utter destruction.

Take for instance the extreme and ridiculous proposal by a Texas Republican state lawmaker to abolish the state capital of Austin. Apparently upset that the progressive city approved $150,000 in grants to organizations like Planned Parenthood, GOP state Rep. Briscoe Cain called for direct retaliation against the city of more than 950,000 people, saying the Republican-controlled state legislature should get “supreme authority over mayor and council.” ..."
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Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2019, 09:23:51 am »
So you would support a known baby raper as long as they had not been convicted?  You would maybe hire one to babysit your kids/grandkids?

When did republicans claim to have the moral high ground?  Have you been asleep for the last 30-40 years?

Who doesn't oppose racism? Apparently every republican voter.

I really think you righties have some sort of mental disorder, you folks just don't seem to live in the real world and seem to be able to stare down a tree and swear it is a rock. I don;t think you are all naturally evil but brainwashing works it seems.
 
In my personal life I watch you folks like I would watch a junkie near my wallet, I can no longer trust a rightie for anything but to support the wrong thing and I don't think we have seen how low you will go yet.

Support isn't a word I would use. You certainly can't deny him his rights because of a non-conviction.

Republican racist voters? How do you explain Tim Scott, Allen West, J C Watts, and others?

Too funny, The brainwashed calling another brainwashed.

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Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2019, 12:59:05 am »
Support isn't a word I would use. You certainly can't deny him his rights because of a non-conviction.

Republican racist voters? How do you explain Tim Scott, Allen West, J C Watts, and others?

Too funny, The brainwashed calling another brainwashed.

Other than a mental disorder, I have no explanation for those who would not only vote against their interests but would also actively work against them.
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Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2019, 09:21:46 am »
Other than a mental disorder, I have no explanation for those who would not only vote against their interests but would also actively work against them.

What are those interests you speak of?

"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism."       Barry Goldwater

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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2019, 03:01:55 pm »
What are those interests you speak of?

"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism."       Barry Goldwater

You can't even hazard a guess as to why a "person of color" supporting the preferred party of "white" racists might be working against their our interests?
Really? 
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Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2019, 03:11:00 pm »
Support isn't a word I would use. You certainly can't deny him his rights because of a non-conviction.

Republican racist voters? How do you explain Tim Scott, Allen West, J C Watts, and others?

Too funny, The brainwashed calling another brainwashed.

Those guys were voted in by white people, barely any support by blacks if any. JC Watts was a star football player for the Sooners in mostly white state he retired after fallout of the GWB years. Allen West stepped on a land mine or something when in military, he is insane, voted by 99% white people. Scott ran against a black woman in his last election, before that he was appointed senator after his predecessor stepped down..

does that explain enough for you? Did not think so but it is true...

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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2019, 03:45:17 pm »
"...A change is coming in 2020. Gerrymandered maps are being struck down by courts across the country, and the 2018 midterm elections point to massive turnout in the next election. Republicans, clearly running scared, are preparing for the course correction by breaking, bending and reshaping the rules in an obvious attempt to make a mockery of the democratic process.

From Oregon to North Carolina, GOP lawmakers have used every dirty trick they can to seize power and undermine the power Democrats even after they win elections. They have taken Grover Norquist’s goal — to turn the tone in state capitals toward bitterness and partisanship — to heart in a major way.

“Our goal is to inflict pain. It is not enough to win. It has to be a painful, devastating defeat. Like when the king would take his opponent's head and spike it on a pole for everyone to see,” Norquist infamously said in the National Review. Except for the shock election of Donald Trump to the presidency, however, Republicans haven’t had the best record of winning of late. Based on their behavior while losing, it seems that the revised Republican goal goes beyond pain to utter destruction.

Take for instance the extreme and ridiculous proposal by a Texas Republican state lawmaker to abolish the state capital of Austin. Apparently upset that the progressive city approved $150,000 in grants to organizations like Planned Parenthood, GOP state Rep. Briscoe Cain called for direct retaliation against the city of more than 950,000 people, saying the Republican-controlled state legislature should get “supreme authority over mayor and council.” ..."

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/1/18139787/rome-decline-america-edward-watts-mortal-republic

This guy actually agrees with you on a number of fronts.

He's partially right, but he over looks the fact that a lot of the inequality is due to immigration policy and demographic changes, as this article discusses.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/importing-poverty-immigration-and-poverty-the-united-states-book-charts

"Prior to 1960, immigrants to the U.S. had education levels that were similar to those of the non-immigrant workforce and earned wages that were, on average, higher than those of non-immigrant workers. Since the mid-1960s, however, the education levels of new immigrants have plunged relative to non-immigrants; consequently, the average wages of immigrants are now well below those of the non-immigrant population. Recent immigrants increasingly occupy the low end of the U.S. socio-economic spectrum."

The mass import poverty to this country pretty has pretty much erased any progress welfare programs would provide at decreasing poverty.  Democrats say we need to do more to combat poverty, while they intentionally increase it at the same time.  In doing so they shift demographics to favor people who will be more likely to vote for more programs to help impoverished people. 

You expect conservatives just to sit idly by and let it happen?  Eventually more us are gonna realize the rules of the game democrats play are stacked against and we will seek out alternative means, even if it means scraping the current system.  Democrats can't win on ideas.  They can only win by importing more and more poverty and promising them more free stuff in exchange for votes.

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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2019, 03:56:49 pm »
Even worse democrats tell these people that they are impoverished because of the system and white majority.  That's not true.  People are IMO writhed because they lack the skills and education to do jobs that pay well.  If you are a minority and you are a Doctor,  white people and they system can't keep you down.  If you are a minority and you graduate with good grades in any field with jobs that pay well, the system and white people cant keep you down.

If you are white and you lack skills and education to do jobs that pay well, the system and white people cant make you prosper.  White people are subject to the exact same rules I speak of above.  Most people white or not are not born into a trust fund and don't have a daddy or mommy who can hire them and pay them a boat load of money if they don't acquire skills and an education and even if they do have skills and an education.

The common denominator between those who do well and those who do not, in the vast majority of circumstances, is skill level and education. It's not the systems fault if you don't do well in America.  It's your skill level and education that are at fault.  The same rule applies to white people.

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2019, 04:04:49 pm »
You can't even hazard a guess as to why a "person of color" supporting the preferred party of "white" racists might be working against their our interests?
Really?

What has Voting for the other party gotten black people in Detroit, Flint, and the south side of Chicago and many others places?  What has voting for black people gotten black people on the continent of Africa?  What has voting for Latinos in Latin America, gotten Latinos?

Real world observations do not prove that black people are better off when they vote for black people or the party that claims to represent them.  On the contrary...

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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2019, 04:12:28 pm »
Real world observations prove that black people were much better off when black people weren't running Detroit and the party that claims to care so much about black people weren't running Detroit.  The differences are so stark.  Can you show me any other city where you can claim the inverse is true?  Where a city went from a dump to a pristine jewel of a city when power was turned over to black people and the party that claims to represent them.

You mistake republicans as the party of white people because their policies are intended to create more opportunities for all who are willing to seize them.  Democrats are the party of we'll give you free stuff.  There is not enough free stuff to go around for that to bring anyone prosperity.  For most people the only way to become prosperous is to seize opportunities that are available.  Therefore more opportunities for people will increase overall prosperity whereas handouts will just take from those who have seized it and give to those who haven't and still won't make those who receive the handouts prosperous.
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Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2019, 10:30:28 pm »
Those guys were voted in by white people, barely any support by blacks if any. JC Watts was a star football player for the Sooners in mostly white state he retired after fallout of the GWB years. Allen West stepped on a land mine or something when in military, he is insane, voted by 99% white people. Scott ran against a black woman in his last election, before that he was appointed senator after his predecessor stepped down..

does that explain enough for you? Did not think so but it is true...

Voted in by white people was the point, Weepy. Are you a democrat by any chance?

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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2019, 10:31:54 pm »
You can't even hazard a guess as to why a "person of color" supporting the preferred party of "white" racists might be working against their our interests?
Really?

What would be their interests?

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Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2019, 11:34:15 pm »
What would be their interests?

Trolling,  or are you really that slow?
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Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2019, 08:54:28 am »
Trolling,  or are you really that slow?

Explain them. I didn't think they needed anything different from any other human being.

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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2019, 09:03:25 am »
Trolling,  or are you really that slow?

Slow, very slow...
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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2019, 09:17:05 am »
What would be their interests?

Apparently being told they are oppressed victims. 

They also like told that it's white peoples fault they ruin places like Detroit and pretty much half the square area of every large American city, not to mention all of Latin America, all of Africa, all of the Muslim world except tiny oil rich Emirates controlled by monarchies (so the people can't vote and make them awful).  They haven't figured out the pattern and that the common denominator to all these awful places is them living in these places ... it's gotta be the white people who don't even live there that are screwing it up for them.  Meanwhile white people make Western Europe, Canada, America, Australia, New Zealand.  They like to be told that we do and they don't is all our fault and they are just innocent victims who play no role in this.

It's our fault that white nations have figured out how to manufacture satellites, computers, rockets that go into space, airplanes, cell phones, many other things too and make medical advances, and constantly innovate and minorities in their native lands can pretty much only extract natural resources from the earth and grow food and breed uncontrollably and supply a cheap labor force for western nations, cause they don't know how to make anything more sophisticated that anyone would actually want to buy.  Seriously, what value added goods dod Latin America, Africa, or the Muslim world make and develop that people want to buy around the world?  There is nothing.  I can't think of anything.  Can anyone? 

How are they supposed to be prosperous when they can only grow food and dig up natural resources so advanced nations can buy them and make them into more sophisticated products that they can sell and profit from?  This is why they are poor.  This isn't white people's fiault.  It's not our fault we advanced and they didn't.

Their only hope for prosperity in their native lands is if they sit on a bunch of oil or diamonds and even that can't save them cause they lack the society and culture to use such good fortune to become technologically advanced.

They basically still are engaged in the old economy that the world was based on before the industrial revolution.  Their decline began even before that once Europeans figured out to sail around the world for trade.  Places like the Middle East used to make a fortune just by taxing trade routes that had to pass through their lands.  The world changed and they didn't. 

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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2019, 09:32:13 am »
It's also their fault that we advanced.  There was a huge incentive for Europeans to figure out a way to bypass these areas for world trade, cause it cut out a lot of middlemen.  That's what motivated Europeans to set sail and explore the world.  Profit and cost reduction. Most of the world never adapted to this disruption to the old way.  The end of the golden age of Islam coincides with the start of the Renaissance.

They rest of the world was already behind the 8 ball, then. Then the industrial revolution happened and they fell even further behind.  Some Asian counties have adapted, like Japan, South Korea, and China is developing too, but they did so by becoming technologically advanced, like the West and developing and making value added goods that they can profit from much more so than just selling raw natural resource.

Developed nations need to stop blaming ourselves for these people being backward and flooding our countries with them isn't gonna fix the problem.  Diversity is the reason why half the square area of every large American city is not very nice.

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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2019, 09:43:45 am »
Ancient Egypt was a great nation, because it could make a lot of food.  At one point in time to be a world power that's all you needed was a lot of food and a bunch of people who could carry pointy sticks and shields and invade and conquer other nations.  Much of the world has not moved on from this mentality.  Much of the poorer countries are only good at making more people who have no opportunities because these areas don't make any sophisticated goods anyone wants to buy and they don't innovate and create new products and entire new industries.  Look at how much wealth the invention of the personal computer and silicon wafer and semiconductors and smart phones has brought America.  There are entire industries built around these innovations.  Mexico exports corona beer and tequila and Avocados drugs and for a long time poverty..  What technologically advanced goods do they make.  Even cars have been around for 120 years and if they tried to make them they would suck and probably cost too much for the value you get.

That's why these places are poor.  It's not the CIA.  It's not colonialism.  It's their culture and way of life.  They are not innovative cultures.