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Re: Politics
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2019, 01:08:54 am »
I can't either and it seems these days people have more compassion for someone who abuses animals than they do someone who abuses a child. I don't like people who abuse anyone.
I think anyone who is abusive in any form lacks self control and self esteem, instead of being ok with themselves with all the human fallacies and imperfections they take their fears and insecurities out on others, very cowardly and exhibits a extreme amount of poor moral fiber, as WLU would say off to the FEMA camp with them
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« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2019, 03:01:30 am »
Exactly, I have a hard time understanding the purpose of racism, or of being intolerant of other peoples views/opinions, however I do find myself to be short of patience with those who feel the need to downgrade women, Gays, Native Americans, people who abuse kids, animals, and the elderly I simply cant fathom why they exist

But you are a known white, male, christian, conservative basher. I remember you saying the white man is getting what he deserves because he gave smallpox to the Native Americans 200 years ago.  Your hypocrisy is astounding sometimes. It really is. Thank God we live in a day and age where the son no longer pays for the fathers sin. Just like I never owned a slave, but people out there should think I need to pay "reparations" to blacks.  Again, nobody else needs to pay for what their ancestors did, only whitey.


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Why would it have an evolutionary or biblical basis, racism is taught, I hardly think it is a evolutionary process, are animals racist?, furthermore I hadn't noticed Jesus teaching racism but with any organized religion you run into problems so that might be iffy at best. Nice try dear

Why either or?  Can you think of any other competing theories? We are either divinely made to serve a purpose or just a bunch of random meatbags brought out of the nothingness. I think that covers just about everything, don't you?

Have you asked an animal if they are racists? What did it say? ... I do understand some animals are highly tribal/territorial and kill other like animals or refuse to breed outside their packs. So one can draw conclusions that some of them can exhibit 'racist' like behaviors/Instincts. I think it would be somewhat hard to draw an exact human comparison if that's what you're looking for.  Early man was no difference, bound together in tight-knit like communities to survive - Tribalism.  Not much has changed in the last 10,000+ years. Blacks still self segregate, whites, Jews, gays etc. etc.  I believe this is why FORCED integration will always fail and causes more problems than it solves. It needs to happen organically, if at all.


Of course you will always have the outliers, but I'd take a well educated guess that most of it happens more do to social pressures. Women are not tribal (a good read is how French women who were sexual partners with the Germans, and then how they were treated after WWII ended) they will always migrate to what they perceive, even wrongly, to a more dominant mating partner. nor do they want to be seen as social pariahs.  The black culture has been made to look "cool" and "strong" in today's society. How many commercials do we see where the strapping young, built black guy is paired with a hot white woman and a wimpy acing white male? How about NEWS on TV- black male, white woman (usually blonde with ghetto booty). Have you seen the new Gillette commercial where all the black guys are saving the young white women from "toxic" white males?    Stop and pay attention sometime to watch what your actually being shown.


This is social engineering at it's best (worst), and dangerous. IMHO.




I can't either and it seems these days people have more compassion for someone who abuses animals than they do someone who abuses a child. I don't like people who abuse anyone.


Agreed.  Those dumb animal commercials with sad music make me sick.


Instead of quoting you on your other posts, I'll just go ahead an answer here. And this is really anti-climatic. I have to save all my climatic posts for Joanna, she's been known to take a 4 hour long bus ride to Ohio and dump women off bridges onto the creek bank out of jealousy. (inside joke)


Biblically speaking, there is no basis for racism.  Every human is a descendant from Adam and Eve. Although the wording in Genesis, probably due to the English translation, reads like Satan and Eve had offspring. Then you have the curse of Cain, some people think this "mark" is the dark skin color for blacks. Then there is the Curse of Ham (Canaan) is where blacks came from.

Now it isn't all towards blacks either. I've known blacks to try and use verses that describe Jesus to claim he was Negro , or that Blacks are the 'real' Jews and that all whites are Edomites bound straight for hell... so, there's that.


Truthfully, the description of Jesus sounds more like something you'd see on a Acid trip while listening to the Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album. IMHO.


















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Re: Politics
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2019, 03:35:11 am »
But you are a known white, male, christian, conservative basher. I remember you saying the white man is getting what he deserves because he gave smallpox to the Native Americans 200 years ago.  Your hypocrisy is astounding sometimes. It really is. Thank God we live in a day and age where the son no longer pays for the fathers sin. Just like I never owned a slave, but people out there should think I need to pay "reparations" to blacks.  Again, nobody else needs to pay for what their ancestors did, only whitey.


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Why either or?  Can you think of any other competing theories? We are either divinely made to serve a purpose or just a bunch of random meatbags brought out of the nothingness. I think that covers just about everything, don't you?

Have you asked an animal if they are racists? What did it say? ... I do understand some animals are highly tribal/territorial and kill other like animals or refuse to breed outside their packs. So one can draw conclusions that some of them can exhibit 'racist' like behaviors/Instincts. I think it would be somewhat hard to draw an exact human comparison if that's what you're looking for.  Early man was no difference, bound together in tight-knit like communities to survive - Tribalism.  Not much has changed in the last 10,000+ years. Blacks still self segregate, whites, Jews, gays etc. etc.  I believe this is why FORCED integration will always fail and causes more problems than it solves. It needs to happen organically, if at all.


Of course you will always have the outliers, but I'd take a well educated guess that most of it happens more do to social pressures. Women are not tribal (a good read is how French women who were sexual partners with the Germans, and then how they were treated after WWII ended) they will always migrate to what they perceive, even wrongly, to a more dominant mating partner. nor do they want to be seen as social pariahs.  The black culture has been made to look "cool" and "strong" in today's society. How many commercials do we see where the strapping young, built black guy is paired with a hot white woman and a wimpy acing white male? How about NEWS on TV- black male, white woman (usually blonde with ghetto booty). Have you seen the new Gillette commercial where all the black guys are saving the young white women from "toxic" white males?    Stop and pay attention sometime to watch what your actually being shown.


This is social engineering at it's best (worst), and dangerous. IMHO.





Agreed.  Those dumb animal commercials with sad music make me sick.


Instead of quoting you on your other posts, I'll just go ahead an answer here. And this is really anti-climatic. I have to save all my climatic posts for Joanna, she's been known to take a 4 hour long bus ride to Ohio and dump women off bridges onto the creek bank out of jealousy. (inside joke)


Biblically speaking, there is no basis for racism.  Every human is a descendant from Adam and Eve. Although the wording in Genesis, probably due to the English translation, reads like Satan and Eve had offspring. Then you have the curse of Cain, some people think this "mark" is the dark skin color for blacks. Then there is the Curse of Ham (Canaan) is where blacks came from.

Now it isn't all towards blacks either. I've known blacks to try and use verses that describe Jesus to claim he was Negro , or that Blacks are the 'real' Jews and that all whites are Edomites bound straight for hell... so, there's that.


Truthfully, the description of Jesus sounds more like something you'd see on a Acid trip while listening to the Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album. IMHO.
I do not hate white, Christian males, males, or whites thought I would just cover all the bases in order to avoid being accused of being a hairy legged feminist. What I have difficulty with is the self entitlement that all seem to have. As far as back in the day when we as humans first started I don't recall reading about any racism or seeing it anywhere on the discovery channel, racism is born out of fear and lack of self esteem, it is a society issue as we are taught it by our parents/care giver. I have never traveled to Ohio to dump women off of bridges, did you start that?, that was 1 thing that was said that really annoyed me. If I were to be a killer it would be of white, Christian males, those I would feed to lions. How do you know we descended from Adam and Eve, did they commit incest cause according to the bible there were only the 2 boys, where did everybody else come from? The bible is not based on any fact and that is why Christians are so annoying they base their morals on a fairytale
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Re: Politics
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2019, 03:45:57 am »
Animals are territorial because they are animals incapable of rational thought and logic, they don't breed outside their pack because it is against their nature, only with humans do you find a zebra breeding with a tiger, we also have to meddle in things. I wouldn't say nor is it logical to say they exhibit racial tendencies, racism is a human malady based out of fear and lack of self esteem, I also miss WhiteyBlackman hope he can find his way here.
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« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2019, 04:36:08 am »
I think anyone who is abusive in any form lacks self control and self esteem, instead of being ok with themselves with all the human fallacies and imperfections they take their fears and insecurities out on others, very cowardly and exhibits a extreme amount of poor moral fiber, as WLU would say off to the FEMA camp with them

You have people like Joanna who believe in killing an unborn child is a 'right', but rages against somebody who abuses an animal/child.  You can't make this level of insanity up. I tried to tell her, draw pictures and sent a video link on how children are made, and that if "pro-choice" people don't want kids they should stop doing the very ONE thing causing it. I don't think it has sunk in yet....

But as we see, it isn't about really having a 'choice' cause 'my body', it's really about not wanting to pay the consequences for our actions.





I do not hate white, Christian males, males, or whites thought I would just cover all the bases in order to avoid being accused of being a hairy legged feminist. What I have difficulty with is the self entitlement that all seem to have. As far as back in the day when we as humans first started I don't recall reading about any racism or seeing it anywhere on the discovery channel, racism is born out of fear and lack of self esteem, it is a society issue as we are taught it by our parents/care giver. I have never traveled to Ohio to dump women off of bridges, did you start that?, that was 1 thing that was said that really annoyed me. If I were to be a killer it would be of white, Christian males, those I would feed to lions. How do you know we descended from Adam and Eve, did they commit incest cause according to the bible there were only the 2 boys, where did everybody else come from? The bible is not based on any fact and that is why Christians are so annoying they base their morals on a fairytale


Funny.

You didn't seem to have a problem with those self entitled Gays when they sued and tried to force the christian baker to bake them a wedding cake.  Weird. Luckily the Supreme Court understands that somebody else's right to be gay stops when it infringes on someone else's right to practice their religion.. Just like I'm more than sure you want somebody else's religion to stop when it infringes on their right to be gay.  This is how our republic is suppose to work.  Can you imagine the tears that you would shed if that christian baker sued to make that gay (man) marry a woman!!!!!   

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One of these thing isn't quite like the other. Hmmm. And No I didn't start that "Joanna's the killer', I just have a good enough memory to remember it being said.


You didn't see racism on the discovery channel? Are you being serious right now?   First off, like the History Channel, The Discovery Channel has pretty much lost all it's credibility of being an actual educational program. Second, the Discovery Channel don't show a lot of things, so saying it doesn't exist just because some TV show doesn't acknowledge it is absolutely preposterous.


To answer your question on Adam and Eve. I said "Biblically speaking", so in no way did I make that claim. I'm stating from the biblical view point that it says Adam and Eve. Eve was the mother of all man. I'd recall the verses, but since you think it's just "fairytales", I'd just be wasting my time.

The Bible don't tell us a lot of things in great detail, (Like Discovery Channel) but there is no time frame given between Cain,  Abel, Seth and their wives. Since Cain went and dwelt within the city of Nod with his wife after killing Abel, one can assume a great amount of time had passed. Since the Bible is told in a (evil) Patriarchal fashion, I'm not really surprised "faceless" women are not mentioned.

To the incest question. You're not the first one to ask this. I've asked this along with a great many others. I'd have to look it up, but I don't think we should view history through a modern lens. I do believe it was in Leviticus that God condemned sexual relations of close relatives. And such relations was then considered incest. Sorry I can't answer this one more thoroughly. Maybe somebody on here is a Biblical Scholar and chime in.




 Also, try reading the Bible once in your lifetime instead of misquoting it and failing to understand what it says. Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.

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Animals are territorial because they are animals incapable of rational thought and logic, they don't breed outside their pack because it is against their nature, only with humans do you find a zebra breeding with a tiger, we also have to meddle in things. I wouldn't say nor is it logical to say they exhibit racial tendencies, racism is a human malady based out of fear and lack of self esteem, I also miss WhiteyBlackman hope he can find his way here.


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Re: Politics
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2019, 05:41:31 am »
You have people like Joanna who believe in killing an unborn child is a 'right', but rages against somebody who abuses an animal/child.  You can't make this level of insanity up. I tried to tell her, draw pictures and sent a video link on how children are made, and that if "pro-choice" people don't want kids they should stop doing the very ONE thing causing it. I don't think it has sunk in yet....

But as we see, it isn't about really having a 'choice' cause 'my body', it's really about not wanting to pay the consequences for our actions.

If your freedom of choice isn't under threat do you really think your views have any merit?, its not like I advocate killing of unborn kids but **** happens as they say and who am I to pass judgment on someone who makes a choice I don't necessarily think is right, consequences of a persons actions generally fall upon the person committing those actions, not so funny when your freedom of choice is on the line




Funny.

You didn't seem to have a problem with those self entitled Gays when they sued and tried to force the christian baker to bake them a wedding cake.  Weird. Luckily the Supreme Court understands that somebody else's right to be gay stops when it infringes on someone else's right to practice their religion.. Just like I'm more than sure you want somebody else's religion to stop when it infringes on their right to be gay.  This is how our republic is suppose to work.  Can you imagine the tears that you would shed if that christian baker sued to make that gay (man) marry a woman!!!!!   

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One of these thing isn't quite like the other. Hmmm. And No I didn't start that "Joanna's the killer', I just have a good enough memory to remember it being said.


You didn't see racism on the discovery channel? Are you being serious right now?   First off, like the History Channel, The Discovery Channel has pretty much lost all it's credibility of being an actual educational program. Second, the Discovery Channel don't show a lot of things, so saying it doesn't exist just because some TV show doesn't acknowledge it is absolutely preposterous.


To answer your question on Adam and Eve. I said "Biblically speaking", so in no way did I make that claim. I'm stating from the biblical view point that it says Adam and Eve. Eve was the mother of all man. I'd recall the verses, but since you think it's just "fairytales", I'd just be wasting my time.

The Bible don't tell us a lot of things in great detail, (Like Discovery Channel) but there is no time frame given between Cain,  Abel, Seth and their wives. Since Cain went and dwelt within the city of Nod with his wife after killing Abel, one can assume a great amount of time had passed. Since the Bible is told in a (evil) Patriarchal fashion, I'm not really surprised "faceless" women are not mentioned.

To the incest question. You're not the first one to ask this. I've asked this along with a great many others. I'd have to look it up, but I don't think we should view history through a modern lens. I do believe it was in Leviticus that God condemned sexual relations of close relatives. And such relations was then considered incest. Sorry I can't answer this one more thoroughly. Maybe somebody on here is a Biblical Scholar and chime in.




 Also, try reading the Bible once in your lifetime instead of misquoting it and failing to understand what it says. Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2019, 05:45:52 am »

I don't think they were self entitled unless you want to lump heterosexuals into that category, and the lion comment was sarcasm, im sure you can remember what that is. Animals don't have rational thought/logic, I believe its called instinct
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« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2019, 05:51:21 am »

And who the hell is Seth?, and how did the guy get a wife unless he slept with Eve and so then he married his sister, see people that have rational thought and logic see this as what it really is, not quite good a story, hell a monkey can think up something better, also where the hell is Nod is that where that little domino's pizza dude lives?, fantasy and not really good fantasy at best and I have read the bible I was quite the good little church goer until I saw what organized religion and bible thumpers were really about
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« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2019, 06:10:26 am »
And who the hell is Seth?, and how did the guy get a wife unless he slept with Eve and so then he married his sister, see people that have rational thought and logic see this as what it really is, not quite good a story, hell a monkey can think up something better, also where the hell is Nod is that where that little domino's pizza dude lives?, fantasy and not really good fantasy at best and I have read the bible I was quite the good little church goer until I saw what organized religion and bible thumpers were really about

Instead of ranting like a loon about stuff you obvious know nothing about, why don't you try reading the Bible just once.

Also, your lack of reading comprehension is making you incapable of understanding the simplest of idea's. Seth is Eve's 3rd male child btw. The rest you can read on your own. Maybe that will clear up some of your own ignorance.


I know you're going to reply with "I'm not reading stupid made up christian fairytales",  per usual. No need. So I think you have come about as far as you are able to learn anything new. And talking to you in this conversation about this topic no longer serves any purpose.

Oh, by the way. I'm really enjoying that Liberal "Tolerance" about other people's views you're displaying. A real standard trailblazer you are! Good to see you're not so "narrow-minded" like those 'dirty, white male racist homophobic christians", you're always yelling about.  /s



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« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2019, 06:38:20 am »
Instead of ranting like a loon about stuff you obvious know nothing about, why don't you try reading the Bible just once.

Also, your lack of reading comprehension is making you incapable of understanding the simplest of idea's. Seth is Eve's 3rd male child btw. The rest you can read on your own. Maybe that will clear up some of your own ignorance.


I know you're going to reply with "I'm not reading stupid made up christian fairytales",  per usual. No need. So I think you have come about as far as you are able to learn anything new. And talking to you in this conversation about this topic no longer serves any purpose.

Oh, by the way. I'm really enjoying that Liberal "Tolerance" about other people's views you're displaying. A real standard trailblazer you are! Good to see you're not so "narrow-minded" like those 'dirty, white male racist homophobic christians", you're always yelling about.  /s



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So in what version of the bible are you referring cause I sure didn't read it in the King James version but that still didn't answer the question of where did the wife come from. I do tolerate other peoples views, its easier when im not exposed to stupid people, I don't think I am narrow minded I condemn all of humanity
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« Reply #82 on: February 25, 2019, 07:55:07 am »
So in what version of the bible are you referring cause I sure didn't read it in the King James version but that still didn't answer the question of where did the wife come from. I do tolerate other peoples views, its easier when im not exposed to stupid people, I don't think I am narrow minded I condemn all of humanity


Again, the Bible is not a step by step history book. It's not going to mention everything all the time. God told Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth (Gen 1:4) Just because the Bible only mentions the names of Adam and Eve's first 3 male children, doesn't mean they didn't have more kids. If you of read the Bible, you would know why Seth is specifically mentioned after Abel died.  Seth's descendant's are the first mentioned  to "call upon the lord", his descendant's became the Patriarchs, the nation of Israel and eventually Christ.

Seth is mentioned being born in Gen 4:25 "And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew." And it is in the KJV.



Maybe you should read it again.


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« Reply #83 on: February 25, 2019, 08:05:04 am »

Again, the Bible is not a step by step history book. It's not going to mention everything all the time. God told Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth (Gen 1:4) Just because the Bible only mentions the names of Adam and Eve's first 3 male children, doesn't mean they didn't have more kids. If you of read the Bible, you would know why Seth is specifically mentioned after Abel died.  Seth's descendant's are the first mentioned  to "call upon the lord", his descendant's became the Patriarchs, the nation of Israel and eventually Christ.

Seth is mentioned being born in Gen 4:25 "And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew." And it is in the KJV.



Maybe you should read it again.


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I often wondered where the other kids came from but never really cared or thought much about it. I figured not everything was written in it. I thought I read but could be wrong as it was a long time ago that Adam and Eve had other children after Seth and they were girls.  Maybe Seth committed incest, who knows? In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.

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« Reply #84 on: February 25, 2019, 08:16:29 am »
Yep and media blows it out of proportion
I do think the media is the biggest part of the problem.
They blow things out of proportion, and use their opinions instead of reporting on the facts.
The news should inform, it's not a drama show ... ugh
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« Reply #85 on: February 25, 2019, 08:21:45 am »
I do think the media is the biggest part of the problem.
They blow things out of proportion, and use their opinions instead of reporting on the facts.
The news should inform, it's not a drama show ... ugh
Yep and what is funny is our local college put on a symposium the other day, I didn't get to go but it was the media and being truthful.

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« Reply #86 on: February 25, 2019, 08:31:56 am »

Again, the Bible is not a step by step history book. It's not going to mention everything all the time. God told Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth (Gen 1:4) Just because the Bible only mentions the names of Adam and Eve's first 3 male children, doesn't mean they didn't have more kids. If you of read the Bible, you would know why Seth is specifically mentioned after Abel died.  Seth's descendant's are the first mentioned  to "call upon the lord", his descendant's became the Patriarchs, the nation of Israel and eventually Christ.

Seth is mentioned being born in Gen 4:25 "And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew." And it is in the KJV.



Maybe you should read it again.


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So either the bible is sexist or its just a bunch of mumble jumble meant to explain away things that have no explanation in a rational, logical way, still doesn't answer the question of where did the woman come from, which according to the bible it was just an incestuous relationship, no wonder monkeys are smarter than most humans
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« Reply #87 on: February 25, 2019, 08:34:39 am »
I often wondered where the other kids came from but never really cared or thought much about it. I figured not everything was written in it. I thought I read but could be wrong as it was a long time ago that Adam and Eve had other children after Seth and they were girls.  Maybe Seth committed incest, who knows? In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.
I think it matters because it points out the hypocrisy of organized religion, especially Christianity
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« Reply #88 on: February 25, 2019, 08:51:01 am »
So either the bible is sexist or its just a bunch of mumble jumble meant to explain away things that have no explanation in a rational, logical way, still doesn't answer the question of where did the woman come from, which according to the bible it was just an incestuous relationship, no wonder monkeys are smarter than most humans
I am very late in this conversation but one needs to look at the times that the bible was written.
Look how long in history it took for woman to get the right to vote or the same pay or opportunities as a man ..... it is what it WAS.
Today is different.
I will probably get bashed for this but it's what I think.
There are exceptional women in history and now. But in truth, men are the strongest. I would prefer a squad of firemen saving my home as opposed to a squad of women. That's just me. And women can't have it both way.
I heard a comedian say "Women stood up for their rights, and lost their seat on the bus"

Now, IMO .... the bible is a book of teachings, a guild line that was written in certain times. But the 10 commandments show a moral code that all should observe. Do not steal, kill, or covet .... that's pretty basic. And folks who us terms like "an eye for an eye" need to go back and read what that actually means and it doesn't say revenge.

I am a Pagan, so I am no expert on the bible but I have read it. I raised 2 Christian sons because I gave them free choice. My eldest is more of a Pagan then he knows. I think he is still finding his way.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #89 on: February 25, 2019, 09:29:19 am »
I often wondered where the other kids came from but never really cared or thought much about it. I figured not everything was written in it. I thought I read but could be wrong as it was a long time ago that Adam and Eve had other children after Seth and they were girls.  Maybe Seth committed incest, who knows? In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.

You are correct. I didn't remember it, but there it is.

Genesis 5:3-4

"When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters."


All I can find about the incest thing is, arguing if it was forbidden because it was a sin or a law to protect for genetic defects since enough generations had passed from Adam and Eve and they would begin to manifest themselves. I know it can seem "gross" to view this act from today's moral standpoint, but if we our all descendant's from Adam and Eve, then we're all family members to begin with. So there is that to think about.


And before someone from the evolutionary camp comes in here saying something. Ya, you are pretty much in the same boat of doing your kin also - if you think about it.


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