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« Reply #648 on: July 01, 2019, 11:50:43 am »
You just can't have a quality parade without a tank or two.  ;D
Nah you can't.

Kim's got the right idea on parades although he should really skip the *three antique planes flyover.

*N Korea's entire air force

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« Reply #649 on: July 01, 2019, 12:09:34 pm »
It's being reported that he's still asking for tanks to roll through DC to highlight the celebration.

It would **** off the DC city gov't as it would tear the roads up but then again Twitler never cared about such issues, as long as he celebrates himself that is all that matters...
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« Reply #650 on: July 01, 2019, 12:28:35 pm »
Not disputing anything you said. All true. The problem was Stevens requested more security at the consulate and was denied. That is the state department. The contractors got involved rescuing the personnel at the consulate.
Well not exactly because it wasn't exactly Stevens doing the requesting and it wasn't exactly Hillary Clinton handling the requests. So while Politifact rates that "requests were made" as true, it explained that many of the requests were made before Stevens was ambassador some even before Hillary was secretary of state.

Left out of the Trey Gowdy hearings were these facts.

The facts of what happened and why were clearly established by the Accountability Review Board:

Ambassador Chris Stevens was responsible for the decision to travel to Benghazi. In-country travel is solely at the discretion of the ambassador, and he did not need to seek Department of State approval.

He traveled to Benghazi knowing full well that his physical and personnel security concerns had not been adequately addressed by the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security. Despite the security concerns, he traveled nonetheless due to personnel rotation in Benghazi and to re-establish contacts in Benghazi.

He left Benghazi on November 17, 2011, and returned as ambassador to Libya on September 10, 2012. In that intervening time, and in the six months prior to September 11, there had been 20 security incidents. Despite a CIA presence in Benghazi, Stevens was unaware of the evolution of the militias that subsequently killed him and his colleagues.
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« Reply #651 on: July 01, 2019, 12:32:58 pm »
It would **** off the DC city gov't as it would tear the roads up but then again Twitler never cared about such issues, as long as he celebrates himself that is all that matters...
Maybe he could get some photos of himself hung on the sides of buildings like his hero dictators do.

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« Reply #652 on: July 01, 2019, 12:47:09 pm »
Well not exactly because it wasn't exactly Stevens doing the requesting and it wasn't exactly Hillary Clinton handling the requests. So while Politifact rates that "requests were made" as true, it explained that many of the requests were made before Stevens was ambassador some even before Hillary was secretary of state.

Left out of the Trey Gowdy hearings were these facts.

The facts of what happened and why were clearly established by the Accountability Review Board:

Ambassador Chris Stevens was responsible for the decision to travel to Benghazi. In-country travel is solely at the discretion of the ambassador, and he did not need to seek Department of State approval.

He traveled to Benghazi knowing full well that his physical and personnel security concerns had not been adequately addressed by the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security. Despite the security concerns, he traveled nonetheless due to personnel rotation in Benghazi and to re-establish contacts in Benghazi.

He left Benghazi on November 17, 2011, and returned as ambassador to Libya on September 10, 2012. In that intervening time, and in the six months prior to September 11, there had been 20 security incidents. Despite a CIA presence in Benghazi, Stevens was unaware of the evolution of the militias that subsequently killed him and his colleagues.

I'm not really blaming Hillary, although she shares some of it. Charlene Lamb denied the security requests for reasons unknown. It is said the appearence of an occupying force was to be avoided.
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« Reply #653 on: July 01, 2019, 12:47:36 pm »
It would **** off the DC city gov't as it would tear the roads up but then again Twitler never cared about such issues, as long as he celebrates himself that is all that matters...
Not if you pave the route with reporters from CNN and MSNBC!

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« Reply #654 on: July 01, 2019, 12:48:06 pm »
That is true. It's expensive. It became expensive when the government started to monkey with it starting with Medicare. It was still pretty reasonable when I left the service. I'm not sure, but it became more expensive with the government's involvement with HMOs.

Personally, I don't have a problem with a government option kept at a state level and left to the states to modify plans as needed. Simply expand Medicaid.

Germany has private and public coexisting plans that seem to work. Germany being a state in the Europian Union.
Actually, most of Germany's health insurance is a social plan of insurance. They insure all.

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« Reply #655 on: July 01, 2019, 12:50:31 pm »
Nah you can't.

Kim's got the right idea on parades although he should really skip the *three antique planes flyover.

*N Korea's entire air force

Lol. true dat

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« Reply #656 on: July 01, 2019, 01:06:25 pm »
Actually, most of Germany's health insurance is a social plan of insurance. They insure all.

Yes, most of it is, through an insurer. It's simply compulsory. 11% is private. I can see it shifting more to private as time goes by.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK298832/

I don't have a problem with it as long as it remains state administered and states are free to develop or improve on delivery through their own devices. Germany would be one state and, let's say Switzerland would be another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland

A Mises Institute article as to why insurance is high here.

https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive


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« Reply #657 on: July 01, 2019, 01:08:39 pm »
Maybe he could get some photos of himself hung on the sides of buildings like his hero dictators do.

A laurel wreath on his head and riding a chariot.

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« Reply #658 on: July 01, 2019, 01:10:34 pm »
Yes, most of it is, through an insurer. It's simply compulsory. 11% is private. I can see it shifting more to private as time goes by.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK298832/

I don't have a problem with it as long as it remains state administered and states are free to develop or improve on delivery through their own devices. Germany would be one state and, let's say Switzerland would be another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland

A Mises Institute article as to why insurance is high here.

https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive
  Government Health Insurance System (GKV) Most German residents (approx. 70 million people) are members of the government health system. If your gross salary is less than 60,750 Euros per year, or 5,063 Euros per month in 2019 then membership in the GKV is mandatory.
Got this off a website about Germany's health insurance.

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« Reply #659 on: July 01, 2019, 01:25:35 pm »
  Government Health Insurance System (GKV) Most German residents (approx. 70 million people) are members of the government health system. If your gross salary is less than 60,750 Euros per year, or 5,063 Euros per month in 2019 then membership in the GKV is mandatory.
Got this off a website about Germany's health insurance.

I don't believe the insurers are the government.

Looks like the same website I posted. At any rate, it is different from France, England, Switzerland, etc.

Speaking of France, I believe they have government socialist healthcare and their unemployment is about 8% and people are demonstrating in the streets against the high cost of gas, I believe. They are now allowing private supplementary plans.

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« Reply #660 on: July 01, 2019, 01:42:37 pm »
I don't believe the insurers are the government.

Looks like the same website I posted. At any rate, it is different from France, England, Switzerland, etc.

Speaking of France, I believe they have government socialist healthcare and their unemployment is about 8% and people are demonstrating in the streets against the high cost of gas, I believe. They are now allowing private supplementary plans.
It is the government there. Have a friend who lives there and she said that the government insures those who can't afford insurance.
By the way, 60,000 Euros is about 67,000 in U.S. dollars

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« Reply #661 on: July 01, 2019, 01:59:47 pm »
It is the government there. Have a friend who lives there and she said that the government insures those who can't afford insurance.
By the way, 60,000 Euros is about 67,000 in U.S. dollars

I think you're right. I believe there are some options other than income for private insurance.

However, so we don't go off on a KFC marathon, Germany is different from other countries in the EU like Texas is different from Massachusetts in the US. My position is it should be kept at a state level leaving the states to develop better care through their own devices.
One of the things I supported Obama on was relaxing the federal regulations on the states when administering Medicaid.

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« Reply #662 on: July 01, 2019, 02:24:31 pm »
I think you're right. I believe there are some options other than income for private insurance.

However, so we don't go off on a KFC marathon, Germany is different from other countries in the EU like Texas is different from Massachusetts in the US. My position is it should be kept at a state level leaving the states to develop better care through their own devices.
One of the things I supported Obama on was relaxing the federal regulations on the states when administering Medicaid.
Obama didn't help on affordable health care at all. It sucks. I can pay better out of pocket than I can with the insurance plan he came up with. Insurance is a racket regardless. 
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« Reply #663 on: July 01, 2019, 03:33:05 pm »
Obama didn't help on affordable health care at all. It sucks. I can pay better out of pocket than I can with the insurance plan he came up with. Insurance is a racket regardless.

I agree with that, but I was referring to Medicaid. It's state administered.

My daughter, who lost her plan due to Obamacare, figured the same thing you did. It pays better out of pocket.


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« Reply #664 on: July 01, 2019, 03:47:01 pm »
I agree with that, but I was referring to Medicaid. It's state administered.

My daughter, who lost her plan due to Obamacare, figured the same thing you did. It pays better out of pocket.
Medicaid Funding. Medicaid is funded by the federal government and each state. The federal government pays states for a share of program expenditures, called the Federal Medical Assistance Percentage (FMAP). Each state has its own FMAP based on per capita income and other criteria.
So medicaid is funded by both.
Source is Medicaid on the web.

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« Reply #665 on: July 01, 2019, 04:57:02 pm »
Medicaid Funding. Medicaid is funded by the federal government and each state. The federal government pays states for a share of program expenditures, called the Federal Medical Assistance Percentage (FMAP). Each state has its own FMAP based on per capita income and other criteria.
So medicaid is funded by both.
Source is Medicaid on the web.

Yes, funded.  Your last sentence says each state has its own FMAP.  Obama relaxed some fed regulations enabling the states to improve it on their own.