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New Zealand Mosque bombing
« on: March 16, 2019, 10:59:47 am »
I don't care what one's religious beliefs are but bombing any place whether church or a movie theater is a coward's way of doing things. I have said maybe we need to do like some courthouses and federal buildings and start having everyone go through metal detectors.  It won't stop bombings or shootings but it would be a start.
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2019, 11:41:59 am »
I don't care what one's religious beliefs are but bombing any place whether church or a movie theater is a coward's way of doing things. I have said maybe we need to do like some courthouses and federal buildings and start having everyone go through metal detectors.  It won't stop bombings or shootings but it would be a start.


What he did was the exact opposite of the definition of "coward", to be honest.

We live in a world where if you (mostly whitey) don't lay down and play dead, your labeled and any legitimate concern is dismissively brushed under the rug because you're a "racist".

Maybe this is the only option this man felt he had left. And to steal a phrase from the liberal media, it looks like he "found his voice".

People are finally listening- for now. 





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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2019, 11:46:25 am »

What he did was the exact opposite of the definition of "coward", to be honest.

We live in a world where if you (mostly whitey) don't lay down and play dead, your labeled and any legitimate concern is dismissively brushed under the rug because you're a "racist".

Maybe this is the only option this man felt he had left. And to steal a phrase from the liberal media, it looks like he "found his voice".

People are finally listening- for now.
No, any time you take someone's life, one is a  coward. I don't care the means of how it is done but it is being a coward.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2019, 11:53:25 am »
No, any time you take someone's life, one is a  coward. I don't care the means of how it is done but it is being a coward.


Good job calling people in the US Military and Law enforcement a "coward", or even civilians who defended themselves/others from bodily harm.

I'm going to assume you don't find people who have abortions a "coward"?   OH, that's right, that's somehow different. 

But thanks for proving my point on how dismissive people are.  Totally unconcerned about "why" this man did what he did, but more focused on "what".



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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2019, 12:04:58 pm »

Good job calling people in the US Military and Law enforcement a "coward", or even civilians who defended themselves/others from bodily harm.

I'm going to assume you don't find people who have abortions a "coward"?   OH, that's right, that's somehow different. 

But thanks for proving my point on how dismissive people are.  Totally unconcerned about "why" this man did what he did, but more focused on "what".
Nope law enforcement and military are not cowards at all. I support them wholeheartedly and back them but a coward who takes someone life like this guy did and like others who murder people for no justified reasons are the cowards. By the way, a person who is defending themselves isn't a coward either but taking someone's life for no reason is being a coward. I don't believe in abortion but that is my personal belief.  I really wish you could comprehend what people write but you seem to have a hard time of that. As I posted I don't believe in using churches to make points and security needs to be done in almost all places these days either by checking bags and using metal detectors but even then killings will happen. If you don't get that from the point I was suggesting than you really need some comprehension skills.
This shooter seems to be part of a white supremacist group who decided to kill someone just because they were different from him whether religion or race which shows he was and is a coward.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2019, 12:30:59 pm »
Nope law enforcement and military are not cowards at all. I support them wholeheartedly and back them but a coward who takes someone life like this guy did and like others who murder people for no justified reasons are the cowards. By the way, a person who is defending themselves isn't a coward either but taking someone's life for no reason is being a coward. I don't believe in abortion but that is my personal belief.  I really wish you could comprehend what people write but you seem to have a hard time of that. As I posted I don't believe in using churches to make points and security needs to be done in almost all places these days either by checking bags and using metal detectors but even then killings will happen. If you don't get that from the point I was suggesting than you really need some comprehension skills.

First, if you want me to "comprehend" what you're saying, then maybe you should actually write out what you mean instead of sending mixed messages.
You said "No, ANY TIME you take someone's life, one is a  coward."    (added emphases on any time)
Then you backtrack saying they're are actual caveats to this statement.

Here we are again. You are claiming from your own personal view he had "no legitimate reason" to kill these people. Still totally dismissing HIS concerns. How are we expect to address "why" this happens if you refuse to even acknowledge HIS possible legitimate reasons by dismissively calling him a coward?  Metal detectors are a band-aid solution to the effects of the problem, a problem people refuse to have an open discussion about.

 


As an example. Look at this article totally denouncing this Australian senator for even bringing up that maybe immigration might be the cause. Same people who are denouncing this "racist" violent act, are the same ones starting gofundme accounts for people who are violently assaulting others as seen with the kid in this article.  Hypocrisy as it's finest.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/australian-senator-criticized-for-blaming-muslim-immigration-for-shootings-punches-teen-after-hes-egged/ar-BBUQMWz?ocid=chromentp





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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2019, 12:37:28 pm »
First, if you want me to "comprehend" what you're saying, then maybe you should actually write out what you mean instead of sending mixed messages.
You said "No, ANY TIME you take someone's life, one is a  coward."    (added emphases on any time)
Then you backtrack saying they're are actual caveats to this statement.

Here we are again. You are claiming from your own personal view he had "no legitimate reason" to kill these people. Still totally dismissing HIS concerns. How are we expect to address "why" this happens if you refuse to even acknowledge HIS possible legitimate reasons by dismissively calling him a coward?  Metal detectors are a band-aid solution to the effects of the problem, a problem people refuse to have an open discussion about.

 


As an example. Look at this article totally denouncing this Australian senator for even bringing up that maybe immigration might be the cause. Same people who are denouncing this "racist" violent act, are the same ones starting gofundme accounts for people who are violently assaulting others as seen with the kid in this article.  Hypocrisy as it's finest.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/australian-senator-criticized-for-blaming-muslim-immigration-for-shootings-punches-teen-after-hes-egged/ar-BBUQMWz?ocid=chromentp
If you would bother to read what I posted I said that checking bags and metal detectors would not always prevent all killings but it would help. Is that hard for you to understand? No, no caveat to what I stated except as always you try to make a mountain out of a molehill where there is none. The guy is a coward just like anyone who belongs to groups like that. Now you can continue showing us all how you think what he did was right, I don't.  All you have shown us all is that you believe murdering someone who is in their church of worship or just minding their business is right. You are no different it seems than a white police officer who kills a black person who is unarmed and doing nothing but they abuse their power. Oh but that is okay for you,  isn't it?
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2019, 03:12:38 pm »
If you would bother to read what I posted I said that checking bags and metal detectors would not always prevent all killings but it would help. Is that hard for you to understand? No, no caveat to what I stated except as always you try to make a mountain out of a molehill where there is none. The guy is a coward just like anyone who belongs to groups like that. Now you can continue showing us all how you think what he did was right, I don't.  All you have shown us all is that you believe murdering someone who is in their church of worship or just minding their business is right. You are no different it seems than a white police officer who kills a black person who is unarmed and doing nothing but they abuse their power. Oh but that is okay for you,  isn't it?

Ah, I see you subscribe to the Saul Alinsky school of thought on how to debate.



Can you please point out where I said anything that contradicted you on metal detectors? My statement was more on addressing that the issue causing the need for those isn't being addressed. I clearly stated this. Even provided a link showing that anyone bringing it up is immediately ostracized and attacked.

If you stated "any time" somebody kills somebody they're a "coward", then walk back that statement later with "unless they kill doing this, then they're not a coward", that is the very definition of a caveat.  Are you actually going to straight face deny you said this when it's there in black and white for everyone to read? 

Can you please point out where I said/shown he was right in doing what he did?  Saying this man "may" of had legitimate reasons is not the same as saying I personally believe he was right in carrying out actions stemming from those reasons.  HUGE difference.


I like how you continue to prove my point on how dismissive people are soon as they're labeled a (how did the media put it) "RACIST RIGHT-WING, WHITE NATIONAL TERRORIST"

Because somehow in the brainwashed masses mind, this spells out "automatically wrong with no possible legitimate concerns".

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2019, 03:21:09 pm »
Ah, I see you subscribe to the Saul Alinsky school of thought on how to debate.



Can you please point out where I said anything that contradicted you on metal detectors? My statement was more on addressing that the issue causing the need for those isn't being addressed. I clearly stated this. Even provided a link showing that anyone bringing it up is immediately ostracized and attacked.

If you stated "any time" somebody kills somebody they're a "coward", then walk back that statement later with "unless they kill doing this, then they're not a coward", that is the very definition of a caveat.  Are you actually going to straight face deny you said this when it's there in black and white for everyone to read? 

Can you please point out where I said/shown he was right in doing what he did?  Saying this man "may" of had legitimate reasons is not the same as saying I personally believe he was right in carrying out actions stemming from those reasons.  HUGE difference.


I like how you continue to prove my point on how dismissive people are soon as they're labeled a (how did the media put it) "RACIST RIGHT-WING, WHITE NATIONAL TERRORIST"

Because somehow in the brainwashed masses mind, this spells out "automatically wrong with no possible legitimate concerns".
No, but for you to think mass killings are acceptable tells me that there is definitely something wrong with you and your thinking. You show it every time. You have this time and you will again.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2019, 04:00:35 pm »
No, but for you to think mass killings are acceptable tells me that there is definitely something wrong with you and your thinking. You show it every time. You have this time and you will again.


WLU just enjoys playing Devil's advocate.  I doubt that he actually believes that killing innocent people is somehow righteous.  He'll protest this, of course, but he's really not a bad guy.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2019, 04:18:15 pm »

WLU just enjoys playing Devil's advocate.  I doubt that he actually believes that killing innocent people is somehow righteous.  He'll protest this, of course, but he's really not a bad guy.
He seems to believe that him being white makes him supreme and it doesn't nor does his thinking make him better than anyone else. No one is.
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2019, 04:25:07 pm »

WLU just enjoys playing Devil's advocate.  I doubt that he actually believes that killing innocent people is somehow righteous.  He'll protest this, of course, but he's really not a bad guy.

My sweet, sweet Der.  Don't ruin all my fun. DAMMIT !
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All jokes aside, 

I'm still wondering how she came to that conclusion.

Stating someone "may" have a legitimate concern isn't the same as saying I agree on how he acted over those possible legitimate concerns.

But like everyone else, nobody wants to discuss the possible reasons. However, they sure do like to sit around using labels to dismissively ignore the issue.

I've searched around, does anyone have a a link to his 74 page manifesto?  I figured it would of leaked by now. I'd like to read it to make a more informed opinion of the situation.



He seems to believe that him being white makes him supreme and it doesn't nor does his thinking make him better than anyone else. No one is.


Well, people (liberals) keep repeating that sentiment. So, why not have some fun with it.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2019, 05:05:36 pm »
My sweet, sweet Der.  Don't ruin all my fun. DAMMIT !
You know I consider the battling of wits to be better than sex, war and strawberry milkshakes combined! - It's the ultimate human endeavor.
God, you're such an "orgasm" denier.


All jokes aside, 

I'm still wondering how she came to that conclusion.

Stating someone "may" have a legitimate concern isn't the same as saying I agree on how he acted over those possible legitimate concerns.

But like everyone else, nobody wants to discuss the possible reasons. However, they sure do like to sit around using labels to dismissively ignore the issue.

I've searched around, does anyone have a a link to his 74 page manifesto?  I figured it would of leaked by now. I'd like to read it to make a more informed opinion of the situation.




Well, people (liberals) keep repeating that sentiment. So, why not have some fun with it.
I am sure you can google his manifesto if you so desire.  But you are the one who seems to think a mass killing is quite okay.
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2019, 09:06:37 pm »
My sweet, sweet Der.  Don't ruin all my fun. DAMMIT !
You know I consider the battling of wits to be better than sex, war and strawberry milkshakes combined! - It's the ultimate human endeavor.
God, you're such an "orgasm" denier.


All jokes aside, 

I'm still wondering how she came to that conclusion.

Stating someone "may" have a legitimate concern isn't the same as saying I agree on how he acted over those possible legitimate concerns.

But like everyone else, nobody wants to discuss the possible reasons. However, they sure do like to sit around using labels to dismissively ignore the issue.

I've searched around, does anyone have a a link to his 74 page manifesto?  I figured it would of leaked by now. I'd like to read it to make a more informed opinion of the situation.




Well, people (liberals) keep repeating that sentiment. So, why not have some fun with it.
I think his reasons for doing what he did is just like anyones else's he felt justified in doing what he did, and unless his reasons can change the outcome does it matter what they are
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2019, 08:52:37 am »
https://www.ilfoglio.it/userUpload/The_Great_Replacementconvertito.pdf



Here is the NZ shooter manifesto if anyone cares to read it. For those who think it's too long of a read here is a quick summary.


Basically, he considers himself  Ethno-nationalist, Eco-fascist that is engaging in lawful warfare as a uniformed partisan against people he refers to as "invaders of the west". See's white people being replaced in their "home" countries due to low fertility rates. Doesn't "hate" those of another race, culture, ethnic background long as they don't "invade" and replace the established racial and cultural demographics. Wants to spark a debate in the media and political forum along the issue's of racial, cultural replacement and gun rights. See's himself maybe ushering in the balkanization of the US along racial and cultural lines due to his actions. Loathes modern day conservatives as weak, unable to stand up to defend themselves or their people.

That pretty much sums up his thought, IMHO.

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I also manage to to watch the video of the killings. In his manifesto he claims to of had no help from outside forces like the CIA, Massad etc etc. Not to get into tinfoil hat theories, but there are parts of the video that you get the strange sense  this shooter has some "ESP" (extra sensory perception) happening or someone is feeding him info. As if he is being told where people are running out from, places they are. mostly when he runs around outside the building. Then again, that could just be explained away by training and bad luck.


If anyone wants to see a 15 min clip of the killings, take yourself on over to livegore(dot)com. Graphic content disclaimer. Truthfully, nothing happens in the video that shines any more light or reasons to "why" this person did what he did than what is already stated in his manifesto. And advise those with weak constitutions to stay clear.

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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2019, 03:09:15 pm »
https://www.ilfoglio.it/userUpload/The_Great_Replacementconvertito.pdf



Here is the NZ shooter manifesto if anyone cares to read it. For those who think it's too long of a read here is a quick summary.


Basically, he considers himself  Ethno-nationalist, Eco-fascist that is engaging in lawful warfare as a uniformed partisan against people he refers to as "invaders of the west". See's white people being replaced in their "home" countries due to low fertility rates. Doesn't "hate" those of another race, culture, ethnic background long as they don't "invade" and replace the established racial and cultural demographics. Wants to spark a debate in the media and political forum along the issue's of racial, cultural replacement and gun rights. See's himself maybe ushering in the balkanization of the US along racial and cultural lines due to his actions. Loathes modern day conservatives as weak, unable to stand up to defend themselves or their people.

That pretty much sums up his thought, IMHO.

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I also manage to to watch the video of the killings. In his manifesto he claims to of had no help from outside forces like the CIA, Massad etc etc. Not to get into tinfoil hat theories, but there are parts of the video that you get the strange sense  this shooter has some "ESP" (extra sensory perception) happening or someone is feeding him info. As if he is being told where people are running out from, places they are. mostly when he runs around outside the building. Then again, that could just be explained away by training and bad luck.


If anyone wants to see a 15 min clip of the killings, take yourself on over to livegore(dot)com. Graphic content disclaimer. Truthfully, nothing happens in the video that shines any more light or reasons to "why" this person did what he did than what is already stated in his manifesto. And advise those with weak constitutions to stay clear.

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So he did feel justified in his actions, btw who is Saul Alinsky?
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2019, 04:14:30 pm »
Stochastic terrorism...

It's not a new term but an old one__obviously you're not well versed on the subject of terrorism.

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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2019, 07:57:35 pm »
So he did feel justified in his actions, btw who is Saul Alinsky?

He is someone the rich right wingers hate and gets the trailer park conservative to foam at the mouth in faux hatred for, like that Soros guy, boogeymen, not really important in the overall scheme of things. They gotta be told who to hate...

 

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