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Mueller time!
« on: July 24, 2019, 10:56:25 am »
"Could trump be charged with obstruction after he leaves office?"
one word answer-- "Yes."

Yep that one stung. It just doesn't get any clearer than that.

This is the point where smart republicans would jump off the sinking trump ship.

Shoot, this is the time that trump should jump off the sinking trump ship.  Get a promise from pence for a pardon, run away, and take your chances with New York prosecutors.
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Re: Mueller time!
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2019, 12:00:48 pm »
So far we have learned that trump can be charged as soon as he is evicted, and that there are other related investigations.

And that the republican questionings are not helping trump a bit  LOL

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Re: Mueller time!
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2019, 12:12:24 pm »
So far we have learned that trump can be charged as soon as he is evicted, and that there are other related investigations.

And that the republican questionings are not helping trump a bit  LOL
If the Republicans had any sense at all,  they would either abandon ship or declare themselves independent or even resign or retire.  Lol
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2019, 12:24:07 pm »
If the Republicans had any sense at all,  they would either abandon ship or declare themselves independent or even resign or retire.  Lol

At this point the GOP is perilously close to being open to a RICO charge.
Perhaps the best move would be for republicans to pick up the call to impeach.
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Re: Mueller time!
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2019, 12:57:01 pm »
"Could trump be charged with obstruction after he leaves office?"
one word answer-- "Yes."

Yep that one stung. It just doesn't get any clearer than that.

This is the point where smart republicans would jump off the sinking trump ship.

Shoot, this is the time that trump should jump off the sinking trump ship.  Get a promise from pence for a pardon, run away, and take your chances with New York prosecutors.

Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga, asked Mueller if his probe was "curtailed, or stopped, or hindered" at any point. Mueller replied "no."

How does that support an obstruction charge?   

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2019, 01:53:50 pm »
Rep. Doug Collins, R-Ga, asked Mueller if his probe was "curtailed, or stopped, or hindered" at any point. Mueller replied "no."

How does that support an obstruction charge?   

Repeatedly, in question and answer, that was addressed.  Are you not watching?
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Re: Mueller time!
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2019, 01:57:01 pm »
The hearings are going good for Dems!

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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2019, 02:03:46 pm »
The hearings are going good for Dems!

Allow me to correct that statement,,  The hearings are going good for Americans.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2019, 02:06:29 pm »
Repeatedly, in question and answer, that was addressed.  Are you not watching?

Yes, and  Mr. Radcliff cleared up the false impression or confusion you alluded to.

I believe the question was hypothetical.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2019, 02:20:50 pm »
As did Mueller's opening statement.

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Re: Mueller time!
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2019, 02:40:53 pm »
At this point the GOP is perilously close to being open to a RICO charge.
Perhaps the best move would be for republicans to pick up the call to impeach.
Yep
You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2019, 02:44:00 pm »
Yes, and  Mr. Radcliff cleared up the false impression or confusion you alluded to.

I believe the question was hypothetical.

Attempted obstruction is obstruction. Not that it needed to be explained, any rookie street cop can tell you that, but it was.
Testimony, and the report, shows that trump attempted obstruction and was only stymied by underlings who refused to act on his orders.


By the same token, the trump campaign attempted to collude with Russia. They were (maybe) not successful but that makes it no less damning.
Of course they can't be legally charged with collusion but they certainly should be held politically accountable for it. Every red-blooded American should be screaming for trump's political head for that alone.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2019, 02:54:12 pm »
Yep

I imagine that many republicans would rather not have supported impeaching Nixon but in any bad deal there comes a time when the smart play is to try and cut your losses.

Not that republicans have shown much smarts lately but R or D, both parties are primarily in the business of staying in business. At some point, and we may be there, the GOP is going to have to chose either survival, or trump.
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Re: Mueller time!
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2019, 03:04:53 pm »
Allow me to correct that statement,,  The hearings are going good for Americans.
Yes, thank you Mark!

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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2019, 03:10:30 pm »
Attempted obstruction is obstruction. Not that it needed to be explained, any rookie street cop can tell you that, but it was.
Testimony, and the report, shows that trump attempted obstruction and was only stymied by underlings who refused to act on his orders.


By the same token, the trump campaign attempted to collude with Russia. They were (maybe) not successful but that makes it no less damning.
Of course they can't be legally charged with collusion but they certainly should be held politically accountable for it. Every red-blooded American should be screaming for trump's political head for that alone.

How is that attempted obstruction? If I told or ordered you to rob a bank and you didn't, that would be attempted bank robbery?

Collusion? Are you referring to finding dirt? That actually happened when the DNC hired Fusion GPS. 

Or are you referring to the second Trump Tower deal? That died when Trump was elected. I don't think even Trump expected to win.


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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2019, 03:11:03 pm »
I imagine that many republicans would rather not have supported impeaching Nixon but in any bad deal there comes a time when the smart play is to try and cut your losses.

Not that republicans have shown much smarts lately but R or D, both parties are primarily in the business of staying in business. At some point, and we may be there, the GOP is going to have to chose either survival, or trump.
Exactly and what is funny, is as bad as the Watergate hearings were for Nixon, they weren't as bad as what Trump has done.
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2019, 03:17:56 pm »
Exactly and what is funny, is as bad as the Watergate hearings were for Nixon, they weren't as bad as what Trump has done.

Seriously? Nixon covered up a burglary and destroyed subpoenaed evidence.

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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 03:31:08 pm »
Exactly and what is funny, is as bad as the Watergate hearings were for Nixon, they weren't as bad as what Trump has done.

I am not sure that we yet know the total extent of what trump has done but both Nixon and trump struck a blow at the heart of our democracy.
 
You certainly could make the argument that trump's lies, subversion of the GOP, blatant appeals to racism, attacks on the free press, etc,  not to mention the, at the least, cooperation with a foreign adversary's interference in a US election are far worse.
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