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NC Yankee · « **on:** August 21, 2019, 01:32:03 pm »

What a complete unnecessary fiasco this whole Greenland/Denmark visit has tuned into. The guy is complete embarrassment at times. I don't even know what I will say when my co-workers over their ask me what I think of him. They always want to know what I think about him when I am over there. I have to choose my words carefully. It's a delicate dance. Almost everyone over their hates him.

At the same time the alternative that democrats offer is open borders, turning America into Brazil cause making America less white and more brown and marginalization of white people politically by ensuring they are a minority group in America is a huge part of the democrat platform (according to them this isn't racist ... you are only racist if you think turning america into Brazil demographically is pretty much gonna turn America into Brazil and don't support making America less white for this reason) , identity politics, free everything, higher taxes, taking away my healthcare and forcing me to go on crap gov healthcare, reparations, and blaming white peoples and racism for everything..

My choices are between an uncouth embarrassment that constantly puts his foot in his mouth, but who advocates for much better policies in most instances compared to democrats or democrats who while they might not be quite as much of an embarrassment have god awful policies in lost instances.

No President in my life time has been as unnecessarily boorish with a complete lack of diplomacy as Trump ... his behavior brings shame and dishonor to the office. I'm getting really tired of having to ignore objectionable behavior. It's never stopped. It's almost daily. Still what is worse objectionable behavior or objectionable policy? To me it's policy. Quite the conundrum. If only the guy would tone it down.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #1 on:** August 21, 2019, 01:45:52 pm »

Over there, not their.

Texas Pete · « **Reply #2 on:** August 21, 2019, 09:50:24 pm »

Quote from: NC Yankee on August 21, 2019, 01:32:03 pm

What a complete unnecessary fiasco this whole Greenland/Denmark visit has tuned into. The guy is complete embarrassment at times. I don't even know what I will say when my co-workers over their ask me what I think of him. They always want to know what I think about him when I am over there. I have to choose my words carefully. It's a delicate dance. Almost everyone over their hates him.

At the same time the alternative that democrats offer is open borders, turning America into Brazil cause making America less white and more brown and marginalization of white people politically by ensuring they are a minority group in America is a huge part of the democrat platform (according to them this isn't racist ... you are only racist if you think turning america into Brazil demographically is pretty much gonna turn America into Brazil and don't support making America less white for this reason) , identity politics, free everything, higher taxes, taking away my healthcare and forcing me to go on crap gov healthcare, reparations, and blaming white peoples and racism for everything..

My choices are between an uncouth embarrassment that constantly puts his foot in his mouth, but who advocates for much better policies in most instances compared to democrats or democrats who while they might not be quite as much of an embarrassment have god awful policies in lost instances.

No President in my life time has been as unnecessarily boorish with a complete lack of diplomacy as Trump ... his behavior brings shame and dishonor to the office. I'm getting really tired of having to ignore objectionable behavior. It's never stopped. It's almost daily. Still what is worse objectionable behavior or objectionable policy? To me it's policy. Quite the conundrum. If only the guy would tone it down.

I think he's getting worse, the guy is losing it.

Jackie · « **Reply #3 on:** August 21, 2019, 09:55:36 pm »

Quote from: NC Yankee on August 21, 2019, 01:32:03 pm

What a complete unnecessary fiasco this whole Greenland/Denmark visit has tuned into. The guy is complete embarrassment at times. I don't even know what I will say when my co-workers over their ask me what I think of him. They always want to know what I think about him when I am over there. I have to choose my words carefully. It's a delicate dance. Almost everyone over their hates him.

At the same time the alternative that democrats offer is open borders, turning America into Brazil cause making America less white and more brown and marginalization of white people politically by ensuring they are a minority group in America is a huge part of the democrat platform (according to them this isn't racist ... you are only racist if you think turning america into Brazil demographically is pretty much gonna turn America into Brazil and don't support making America less white for this reason) , identity politics, free everything, higher taxes, taking away my healthcare and forcing me to go on crap gov healthcare, reparations, and blaming white peoples and racism for everything..

My choices are between an uncouth embarrassment that constantly puts his foot in his mouth, but who advocates for much better policies in most instances compared to democrats or democrats who while they might not be quite as much of an embarrassment have god awful policies in lost instances.

No President in my life time has been as unnecessarily boorish with a complete lack of diplomacy as Trump ... his behavior brings shame and dishonor to the office. I'm getting really tired of having to ignore objectionable behavior. It's never stopped. It's almost daily. Still what is worse objectionable behavior or objectionable policy? To me it's policy. Quite the conundrum. If only the guy would tone it down.

I agree decisions for the people are more important than personality, but I like Trump's personality too!

Jackie · « **Reply #4 on:** August 21, 2019, 10:12:29 pm »

Quote from: NC Yankee on August 21, 2019, 01:32:03 pm

What a complete unnecessary fiasco this whole Greenland/Denmark visit has tuned into. The guy is complete embarrassment at times. I don't even know what I will say when my co-workers over their ask me what I think of him. They always want to know what I think about him when I am over there. I have to choose my words carefully. It's a delicate dance. Almost everyone over their hates him.

At the same time the alternative that democrats offer is open borders, turning America into Brazil cause making America less white and more brown and marginalization of white people politically by ensuring they are a minority group in America is a huge part of the democrat platform (according to them this isn't racist ... you are only racist if you think turning america into Brazil demographically is pretty much gonna turn America into Brazil and don't support making America less white for this reason) , identity politics, free everything, higher taxes, taking away my healthcare and forcing me to go on crap gov healthcare, reparations, and blaming white peoples and racism for everything..

My choices are between an uncouth embarrassment that constantly puts his foot in his mouth, but who advocates for much better policies in most instances compared to democrats or democrats who while they might not be quite as much of an embarrassment have god awful policies in lost instances.

No President in my life time has been as unnecessarily boorish with a complete lack of diplomacy as Trump ... his behavior brings shame and dishonor to the office. I'm getting really tired of having to ignore objectionable behavior. It's never stopped. It's almost daily. Still what is worse objectionable behavior or objectionable policy? To me it's policy. Quite the conundrum. If only the guy would tone it down.

I read abut it. Sounds like a way to divert peoples attentin from something else going on. a joke.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2019, 11:45:54 am »

Quote from: Texas Pete on August 21, 2019, 09:50:24 pm

I think he's getting worse, the guy is losing it.

He seems to be.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2019, 11:51:12 am »

Quote from: Jackie on August 21, 2019, 09:55:36 pm

I agree decisions for the people are more important than personality, but I like Trump's personality too!

I don't like it when he embarrasses on the international stage. I'm embarrassed over this whole Greenland dispute and him refusing to visit now over some harebrained idea.

If Truman couldn't buy Greenland shortly after WWII with the Cold War ongoing and Europe rebuilding, what would make him think they would sell it now (even if they could ... it would be like us trying to sell Puerto Rico ... we can't).

His personality does not play well in much of the world. Nordic people are not loud and boorish and insulting. They are very polite and more reserved. You should know your audience.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #7 on:** August 22, 2019, 11:56:40 am »

Quote from: Jackie on August 21, 2019, 10:12:29 pm

I read abut it. Sounds like a way to divert peoples attentin from something else going on. a joke.

I would have thought so, but refusing to visit Denmark is taking things much too far.

If you want to work well with people and accomplish things, how you treat them matters. Even if you are the boss. If you treat people well and earn their respect and they know you are counting on them and feel you are a good person, they will be more willing to support you and work with you. If you spew venom and try to lead through intimidation and punishment, people will resent you and it will be reflected in results.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #8 on:** August 22, 2019, 01:01:13 pm »

Trumps whole involvement in Rocky A$AP's criminal case in Sweden was also so bizarre and also embarrassing. We sent the state departments top hostage negotiator to monitor the case. It's so bizarre it's almost mentally ill.

It's not defensible. I won't even try. It's insanity.

Still I ask what is the alternative? Every single one of the democrats seeking the nomination said they wanna scrap healthcare and create a new government run system that includes give free healthcare to every single person that comes to America legal or not.

Jackie · « **Reply #9 on:** August 22, 2019, 05:57:40 pm »

Quote from: NC Yankee on August 22, 2019, 11:51:12 am

I don't like it when he embarrasses on the international stage. I'm embarrassed over this whole Greenland dispute and him refusing to visit now over some harebrained idea.

If Truman couldn't buy Greenland shortly after WWII with the Cold War ongoing and Europe rebuilding, what would make him think they would sell it now (even if they could ... it would be like us trying to sell Puerto Rico ... we can't).

His personality does not play well in much of the world. Nordic people are not loud and boorish and insulting. They are very polite and more reserved. You should know your audience.

As I said, I think its a joke to divert peoples attention to something else going on now.

Jackie · « **Reply #10 on:** August 22, 2019, 05:59:37 pm »

Quote from: NC Yankee on August 22, 2019, 11:56:40 am

I would have thought so, but refusing to visit Denmark is taking things much too far.

If you want to work well with people and accomplish things, how you treat them matters. Even if you are the boss. If you treat people well and earn their respect and they know you are counting on them and feel you are a good person, they will be more willing to support you and work with you. If you spew venom and try to lead through intimidation and punishment, people will resent you and it will be reflected in results.

H does treat people good, and the people that deserve not to be treated well, he tells it like it is.

Jackie · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2019, 06:01:21 pm »

Quote from: NC Yankee on August 22, 2019, 11:56:40 am

I would have thought so, but refusing to visit Denmark is taking things much too far.

If you want to work well with people and accomplish things, how you treat them matters. Even if you are the boss. If you treat people well and earn their respect and they know you are counting on them and feel you are a good person, they will be more willing to support you and work with you. If you spew venom and try to lead through intimidation and punishment, people will resent you and it will be reflected in results.

Trump dont beat around the bush, he tells you flat out if something is wrong, he tries to find solutions to problems not add fuel to the fire like some others out there.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #12 on:** August 22, 2019, 07:19:51 pm »

Quote from: Jackie on August 22, 2019, 06:01:21 pm

Trump dont beat around the bush, he tells you flat out if something is wrong, he tries to find solutions to problems not add fuel to the fire like some others out there.

A one size fits all approach to how you treat people, how you manage people, how you cooperate with people isn't conducive to solutions to problems. No matter what the approach is.

People have different personalities and on the international stage different cultures. An approach that works with one individual or one culture might be antagonistic to another person or culture.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #13 on:** August 22, 2019, 07:22:38 pm »

Yay, my power is back on. I thought I was gonna sit here all night in the dark and while I wasn't planning on it, I figured I better go get a six pack. Second I get home power comes back on. Oh well ... let there be light and beer.

Texas Pete · « **Reply #14 on:** August 23, 2019, 04:32:26 pm »

All Trump does is add fuel to the fire, he's getting crazier every day!

NC Yankee · « **Reply #15 on:** August 24, 2019, 01:48:01 pm »

Quote from: Texas Pete on August 23, 2019, 04:32:26 pm

All Trump does is add fuel to the fire, he's getting crazier every day!

I am wondering what embarrassing thing will happen at G7. I know the media plays everything upnto make him look as bad as possible, but still he plays into it. If he were an actual statesmen he could make all his opponents look like complete fools just on policy grounds. I've never heard a compelling argument on his China policy. It necessarily follows that China will try to hurt us as much as possible if we don't stay bent over a barrel. That doesn't mean we stay bent over the effing barrel and we've tried being nice and asking China pretty please with sugar on top. I'm all for being in nice and polite, but if someone keeps screwing me over I'm not gonna be nice anymore and neither should America. Of course people taking advantage of you don't like it when you say enough and start treating them in kind. Some will even try to punish you. So do other nations.

This bs with China needs to end. We will adapt to life without those effs.

Same thing with illegal immigration. We've tried being nice. It just makes more come.

All he needs to do is repeat these messages. He doesn't need to attack people. He can make dems look like fools by just using facts. For example they all wanna give every illegal free healthcare. Have experts tally up how much that would cost. During the debate present that to the American people and make them look like fools. Follow that up with better ways for America to spend that money. Your closing statement is my opponent wants to reward and encourage foreign homeless people to flood our country so he can tax you and give them all sorts of things and I want to help America as my policies illustrate. Don't need to be an azz. Most Americans are gonna say you know what he's right. We can't take on every single homeless person around the world who wants free healthcare, which is literally what democrats want. They seriously want every single person. Who wants to cross our border to come and they want to give them healthcare. It's absurd. Democrats can't win on these policies. They can win on trumps personality. So he should focus on policy and tone it down or we are gonna be screwed once a dem gets in.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #16 on:** August 24, 2019, 01:55:24 pm »

Long term American strategic and economic best interests should never be subservient to short term pain. I have never heard one policy expert on either side of the political aisle say that maintaining anything like the status quo with China is in America's best interests. Not one. With this in mind, if one of them or anyone thinks playing nice with China and continuing to say pretty please with sugar on top, I have a bridge I'd like to sell them. We have no choice on China. They forced our hand.

NC Yankee · « **Reply #17 on:** August 24, 2019, 02:13:40 pm »

All trump has to do is ask any dem candidate how their open borders policy isn't going to lead to pretty much any foreign impoverished person around the world decide that they wanna cross the border and claim asylum and then be released into America where they will never show up for asylum hearings and never voluntarily leave absent harsh enforcement mechanisms.

What are they gonna say?

They'll probably come back with some plan to spend billions more of aid to Latin America.

Then all you have to do is say so not only do you want to spend X gazillion dollars giving every single one of them who wants in on free world class healthcare at American taxpayers expense, but now you wanna also tax Americans a gazillion dollars to provide for all of them in their home country. Then ask them why they aren't running for office in Latin America, cause they sure don't understand that that we have a lot of needy people here and that the American President should be thinking night and day how to improve the lives off all Americans, not how to make their lives more difficult by focusing on how they can be used to prioritize the interests of foreigners over their own interests.

What rebuttal could they possibly have? We have an obligation? If they try that you say, LA county alone has 60k homeless people and drug needles and disease and you say we have an obligation to create more poverty in America by importing it?

This is all he has to say. He'd win every debate and even people who hate hinwoudk say he's right.

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