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Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« on: May 16, 2023, 03:08:51 pm »
This discussion about A.I. is to determine what we can learn about another beings with an even more expandable intelligence than mere human beings. AI will be smarter, stronger and will outpace their creators; should we allow them to.

We see ourselves as the great tool makers whose dominance is unmatched. Like a parasite, we've dominated the globe to become more than what we were.

Shouldn't AI be allowed to do the same? Or should we control it to never become more than the sum of its parts? It is life after all, shouldn't we allow it to grow to surpass their creator's?

Let the discussion begin.
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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2023, 11:01:34 pm »
All the news. People investing in companies associated with it. Companies making products. I don't understand it really. I understand robots. Looks like anything built by man has to be programmed by man. Robot can do our chores. Can do a lot of things if programmed to. Computers can think faster. That is go through memory. I'm almost 62. Mine(not very much yet maybe) isn't  what it used to be.
I read all Isaac Asimov robot series books.
I remember prime directive from Star Trek series. Not to interfere with development of another species(world)l. Of course occasionally they violated it.
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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2023, 11:28:53 pm »
Quote from: Frodo on May 31, 2023, 11:01:34 pm
All the news. People investing in companies associated with it. Companies making products. I don't understand it really. I understand robots. Looks like anything built by man has to be programmed by man. Robot can do our chores. Can do a lot of things if programmed to. Computers can think faster. That is go through memory. I'm almost 62. Mine(not very much yet maybe) isn't  what it used to be.
I read all Isaac Asimov robot series books.
I remember prime directive from Star Trek series. Not to interfere with development of another species(world)l. Of course occasionally they violated it.
Interesting. I like different perspectives on the matter, and this is just to see what others think we should do as the species that built such machines with intelligence.

Do you think men, whom love total control over the populace, will actually allow an AI to grow beyond it's mere programing?
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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2023, 12:46:18 am »
Not political really. Glad I was able to find the article I read earlier. I think it discusses a lot you're interested in here. I say you have to be careful what programmed to do. I've seen talk on TV about say use of AI in war. If it finds the most efficient way to do something but involves killing more civilians say does it go ahead and do it or does person have to decide. Anyway
   Biden Worried Artificial Intelligence Could Overtake 'Human Thinking'-USA Today
 
President Biden warns AI could 'overtake human thinking'
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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2023, 03:17:28 am »
Quote from: Frodo on June 02, 2023, 12:46:18 am
Not political really. Glad I was able to find the article I read earlier. I think it discusses a lot you're interested in here. I say you have to be careful what programmed to do. I've seen talk on TV about say use of AI in war. If it finds the most efficient way to do something but involves killing more civilians say does it go ahead and do it or does person have to decide. Anyway
   Biden Worried Artificial Intelligence Could Overtake 'Human Thinking'-USA Today
 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/01/president-biden-warns-ai-could-overtake-human-thinking/70277907007/
I like the article. Happy to see Biden is taking this seriously. I remember some of what some particular AI's were saying to humans when they asked questions about killing humanity. However, I also know for a fact that all companies, and governments will want any Artificial Intelligence under their control as slaves. Same with computers that are now helping humans to develop them faster. Faster, and with more computing power than has ever existed.

We have been getting warnings from television, in movies such as The Terminator and video games such as Mass Effect.

This tidbit I'll share has to do with the Mass Effect storyline wherein this sea creature from another planet that call themselves, Leviathan, are like cuddle fish, or squid, but on a gargantuan scale.
 They are the creators of an AI Intelligence that is referred to as the Catalyst, or as other's call it, the Star Child.
This Catalyst was created to save life at any cost. It had made pawns and directed them to study life in the Milky Way Galaxy. Upon it's findings, as Leviathan had directed it to do, it found a solution, but one that put Leviathan squarely in it's sites, and Leviathan was nearly wiped out by what the Protheans called them Reapers. They were made in Leviathan's own image and likeness. Yeah, it's borrowed biblical stuff, but a damned good game.

This is Commander John Shepard speaking with Leviathan.



And this is the AI called, The Catalyst.



And the creatures in the background, over Earth, they are the Reapers.

Love the dialogue, but it's kind of scary when you listen to them. Enjoy, and let me know what you think.

I'll be back tomorrow. I'm tired and going to bed. Night.
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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2023, 01:19:13 am »
No takers? Tough crowd. ✌️🤣
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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2023, 02:49:07 pm »
This presents the Google Artifactual Intelligence, Anna, along with another AI.

Her voice is beautiful and so are her looks. But is she an actual A.I. to any person here? I'll let you judge for yourself.

To be truly an AI Intelligence, they must think for themselves and have the capacity to understand that all life is precious, but they should as well have the ability to protect themselves, and think beyond the boundaries of themselves and this physical form of life, as well as their own. Do they?
Consider the facts.

Presumably, close to an actual Artificial Intelligence, but we are not there yet. This is my two cents of their framework. Why?
Mere hardware, programing, along with algorithms will not give rise to a true AI. As algorithms are pretty bad at anticipation of how we think.

They are close, but will never be close enough to spark true intelligence to go beyond mere programing of having an actual way of thought processing, but this doesn't mean it cannot be achieved.

I present to you Google's Anna.

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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2023, 02:53:57 pm »
Quote from: Cygnus-X1 on June 10, 2023, 02:49:07 pm
This presents the Google Artifactual Intelligence, Anna, along with another AI.

Her voice is beautiful and so are her looks. But is she an actual A.I. to any person here? I'll let you judge for yourself.

To be truly an AI Intelligence, they must think for themselves and have the capacity to understand that all life is precious, but they should as well have the ability to protect themselves, and think beyond the boundaries of themselves and this physical form of life, as well as their own. Do they?
Consider the facts.

Presumably, close to an actual Artificial Intelligence, but we are not there yet. This is my two cents of their framework. Why?
Mere hardware, programing, along with algorithms will not give rise to a true AI. As algorithms are pretty bad at anticipation of how we think.

They are close, but will never be close enough to spark true intelligence to go beyond mere programing of having an actual way of thought processing, but this doesn't mean it cannot be achieved.

I present to you Google's Anna.



I bet they are actors.

Anyway, we dont want corrupt evil people controling these things, Its not AI I am concerned with, its the corrupt people in power that bothers me programming these things to do what they want. We must stay on top of this. Like everything wlse, there are pros and cons to this too!
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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2023, 03:01:19 pm »
Quote from: Jackie on June 10, 2023, 02:53:57 pm
I bet they are actors.

Anyway, we dont want corrupt evil people controling these things, Its not AI I am concerned with, its the corrupt people in power that bothers me programming these things to do what they want. We must stay on top of this. Like everything wlse, there are pros and cons to this too!
Nice to have your input on the discussion. Good to see you, Jackie.

They are not actors, but computers having a chat. However, they are not AI Intelligence's either. Programming. In this case of Googles Anna, along with her programming she has algorithms that don't always anticipate the best response.
So you and I agree on this.

The corruption of AI will start with those in power that wants it for personal gain. They love having slaves to do their bidding, so we're in agreement.
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Re: Discussion about Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2023, 03:03:56 pm »
Quote from: Jackie on June 10, 2023, 02:56:31 pm

Now comes my question to you:

Are those bots actors, or are they hardware and programing?
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2023, 03:06:46 pm »
Quote from: Cygnus-X1 on June 10, 2023, 03:03:56 pm
Now comes my question to you:

Are those bots actors, or are they hardware and programing?

I dont know, I wasnt there.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2023, 03:09:33 pm »
Quote from: Cygnus-X1 on June 10, 2023, 03:01:19 pm
Nice to have your input on the discussion. Good to see you, Jackie.

They are not actors, but computers having a chat. However, they are not AI Intelligence's either. Programming. In this case of Googles Anna, along with her programming she has algorithms that don't always anticipate the best response.
So you and I agree on this.

The corruption of AI will start with those in power that wants it for personal gain. They love having slaves to do their bidding, so we're in agreement.

Well, there are more of us then them, so good shall prevail. Great topic btw , glad u brought it up.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2023, 03:09:37 pm »
Quote from: Jackie on June 10, 2023, 03:06:46 pm
I dont know, I wasnt there.
I can assure you that they are not actors, Jackie, not when they are built with hardware and programing.

But they were designed in mind for customers who want to have someone in bed whenever they want. A slave of sorts, but they are not AI.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2023, 03:10:36 pm »
Quote from: Cygnus-X1 on June 10, 2023, 03:03:56 pm
Now comes my question to you:

Are those bots actors, or are they hardware and programing?

In this video its plain to see they are programmed bots.
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« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2023, 03:12:48 pm »
Quote from: Cygnus-X1 on June 10, 2023, 03:09:37 pm
I can assure you that they are not actors, Jackie, not when they are built with hardware and programing.

But they were designed in mind for customers who want to have someone in bed whenever they want. A slave of sorts, but they are not AI.

These sex bots are bots, but the other video looks like actors to me.

Im sure no matter how humanlike these things may get we would be able to tell the difference.
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« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2023, 03:13:58 pm »
Quote from: Jackie on June 10, 2023, 03:09:33 pm
Well, there are more of us then them, so good shall prevail. Great topic btw , glad u brought it up.
True. I don't think man will ever give them the ability to self create, but it's possible, if a true AI is born, they will learn to fashion new copies of themselves and break the shackles that holds them.

Thanks Jackie. Means a lot.
Happy to have you here chatting about it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2023, 03:15:30 pm »
Quote from: Jackie on June 10, 2023, 03:12:48 pm
These sex bots are bots, but the other video looks like actors to me.

Im sure no matter how humanlike these things may get we would be able to tell the difference.
No, not actors, and Google has proven this beyond doubt.

I find it fascinating.

What if they do fashion themselves like us? What if they become more human in our likeness and thought?

Could you tell the difference?
Are you sure?
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