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Title: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Der Fuehrer on May 07, 2019, 08:07:14 am
Wow, does anyone in this administration know anything about NOT making yourself look guilty as hell?

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The Treasury Department said on Monday that it would not release President Trump’s tax returns to Congress, defying a request from House Democrats and setting up a legal battle likely to be resolved by the Supreme Court.Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, wrote in a letter (https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/Secretary-Mnuchin-Response-to-Chairman-Neal-2019-05-06.pdf) to Representative Richard E. Neal, Democrat of Massachusetts and the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, that Mr. Neal’s request for the tax returns “lacks a legitimate legislative purpose” and that he was not authorized to disclose them. The decision came after weeks of delays as Mr. Mnuchin said that his department and the Justice Department needed to study the provision of the tax code that Democrats were using to seek six years’ worth of the president’s personal and business tax returns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/us/politics/trump-tax-returns-mnuchin.html
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 07, 2019, 08:20:09 am
Wow, does anyone in this administration know anything about NOT making yourself look guilty as hell?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/us/politics/trump-tax-returns-mnuchin.html
He surrounds himself with the same liars and thieves that he is. After all, his history speaks of a bone spur coward and professional liar with a long history of theft.

He needs to go.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Doobie on May 07, 2019, 10:42:51 am
Well, if were are going to look at anyone tax returns, how about all the congress and senators who have become millionaires off of taxes payers and dirty deals.... not a party issue its corrupt on both sides....how did obama leave office as a multi-millionaire????

Trump i am sure made many crooked deals in the secular business world, like most businesses do,but he didn't rip off the taxpayers and get rich off of our taxes like the Swamp People of DC.....  Remember Trump has never received a penny for serving as President he has donated every check to charity since he has been in office...... why aren't McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer Nadler, Sanders Not Giving up there checks for charity????

The Swamp People Of DC....both parties Not Done ANYTHING For Broken Immigration Policies Over The Past Thirty + Years......  At Least Trump Is Making A Valiant effort to PUT AMERICA FIRST, not like any of the lifetime underhanded swamp politicians of D.C.

Thank You President Donald J. Trump......

An American Who Cares ABout His Country

Remember John F. Kennedy.....
Ask Not What This Country Can Do For You, But Ask What Can Do For this Country......



 
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 07, 2019, 12:22:28 pm
Well, if were are going to look at anyone tax returns, how about all the congress and senators who have become millionaires off of taxes payers and dirty deals.... not a party issue its corrupt on both sides....how did obama leave office as a multi-millionaire????

Trump i am sure made many crooked deals in the secular business world, like most businesses do,but he didn't rip off the taxpayers and get rich off of our taxes like the Swamp People of DC.....  Remember Trump has never received a penny for serving as President he has donated every check to charity since he has been in office...... why aren't McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer Nadler, Sanders Not Giving up there checks for charity????

The Swamp People Of DC....both parties Not Done ANYTHING For Broken Immigration Policies Over The Past Thirty + Years......  At Least Trump Is Making A Valiant effort to PUT AMERICA FIRST, not like any of the lifetime underhanded swamp politicians of D.C.

Thank You President Donald J. Trump......

An American Who Cares ABout His Country

Remember John F. Kennedy.....
Ask Not What This Country Can Do For You, But Ask What Can Do For this Country......
And Trump has never worked an honest day in his life. Please.

Trump at this moment is ripping off America just as he did when ripping off the banks that trusted his word and no longer do because they know his business will go bankrupt within no time just as all his business ventures have - they go belly up.
You actually believe his nonsense? 😂

So why believe a lair like Trump when the record speaks for itself.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-obama-salary-donations/
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Weepy on May 07, 2019, 09:31:50 pm
Wow, does anyone in this administration know anything about NOT making yourself look guilty as hell?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/us/politics/trump-tax-returns-mnuchin.html

His tax returns from 25-34 years back was leaked out and he looks very bad...
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 08, 2019, 01:20:45 am
His tax returns from 25-34 years back was leaked out and he looks very bad...
Do you have a link that we can read? I’m curious to see for myself. However, there are some reporters who have a ton of crap on D. Trump and it looks like he’s been a criminal since he was a boy.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Window Lickers Union on May 08, 2019, 02:07:41 am
Wow, does anyone in this administration know anything about NOT making yourself look guilty as hell?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/us/politics/trump-tax-returns-mnuchin.html




The whole premise of the presumption of innocent until proven guilty is lost on you, eh?

Trump only "looks guilty" to those who have already convinced themselves he is -Mass hysteria.

How did that 2+ years of yelling 'Russian collusion' work out for you (Dems)?

There is no legal basis to have Trump's tax returns released publicly. Zilch.



Democrats need another red herring to keep their voter base in a constant heightened stated of emotionalism. That there is a boogeyman hiding under the bed, ready to swallow them whole in the middle of the night as they run out of the room in sheer terror.



...sleep tight.






Remember John F. Kennedy.....
Ask Not What This Country Can Do For You, But Ask What you Can Do For this Country......



 


If JFK was alive today and said this, he would be labeled as an "Alt-Right White Nationalist" akin to Hitler. Today's Republican party is yesteryears moderate democrat. 

Can't wait until we're all sent to the FEMA Camps for reeducation when AOC get's elected in 2020. Sounds fun. 

Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 09, 2019, 10:06:07 am
WLU, you are nonsensical.
https://youtu.be/xOjH1fjDjI0
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Weepy on May 09, 2019, 10:19:00 am
WLU, you are nonsensical.
https://youtu.be/xOjH1fjDjI0

He is a ****.
 
He and his like minded Trump followers are scared of a junior person in the House who is in her first year..

The Fox mews dimwits are too dense to inderstand AOC cannot run for president until age 35 and she cannot run until 2028 at the  earliest.

I try to ignore these types that posts what they hear elsewhere and puppet it here, their crap has been laid to waste a million times tgen they wait a few days and puppet the same nonsense when they think no one paid attention before...
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 09, 2019, 10:35:31 am
He is a ****.
 
He and his like minded Trump followers are scared of a junior person in the House who is in her first year..

The Fox mews dimwits are too dense to inderstand AOC cannot run for president until age 35 and the earlies she can run until 2028 at .the earliest.

I try to ignore these types that posts what they hear elsewhere and puppet it here, their crap has been laid to waste a million times tgen they wait a few days and puppet the same nonsense when they think no one paid attention before...
I absolutely agree with you Weepy. They are only parroting the Fox News lies, and without ever realizing that their old grandiose Fox is tanking as we type our words because much of their commercial base is leaving due to all the lies that Fox producers are peddling. So ask me why I care not to waste my valuable time watching dimwits on Fox News sing their songs of gibberish for the president and republicans that are protecting their liar in chief. What are they hiding besides being the traitorous cowards they are - Putin’s money I’ll bet has a lot to do with this as those cowards sellout their own country and souls for the highest bidder.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 09, 2019, 11:07:31 am
He is a ****.
 
He and his like minded Trump followers are scared of a junior person in the House who is in her first year..

The Fox mews dimwits are too dense to inderstand AOC cannot run for president until age 35 and the earlies she can run until 2028 at .the earliest.

I try to ignore these types that posts what they hear elsewhere and puppet it here, their crap has been laid to waste a million times tgen they wait a few days and puppet the same nonsense when they think no one paid attention before...
Another example of Fox’s bull chips.
https://youtu.be/xYyLnBXYRq0
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Weepy on May 09, 2019, 11:15:30 am
Do you have a link that we can read? I’m curious to see for myself. However, there are some reporters who have a ton of crap on D. Trump and it looks like he’s been a criminal since he was a boy.

It was the headline of the NYT where Trump lost 1 Billion dollars in one decade, and did not pay any taxes for 9 of those 10,more than any person in this country to lost that much. I thought you would already seen that and I rarely rely on links to speak for me..

The idiots on Fox and Fools this morning made it look like losing 1 billion is genius or something.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Weepy on May 09, 2019, 11:16:16 am
Another example of Fox’s bull chips.
https://youtu.be/xYyLnBXYRq0

Lol, I did not see your post there and mentioned that in my last post...
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 09, 2019, 11:27:30 am
It was the headline of the NYT where Trump lost 1 Billion dollars in one decade, and did not path any taxes for 9 of those 10,more than any person in this country to lost that much. I thought you would already seen that and I rarely rely on links to speak for me..

The idiots on Fox and Fools this morning made it look like losing 1 billion is genius or something.
I did indeed. I was reading about it yesterday and am not surprised by Trump’s failures in all his businesses that tank the moment he steps in and causing trouble for the company and employees that have to deal with Trump’s negligence when they lose their jobs.

He has no real talent, no strategy and has never had any real business to speak of. Not when he’s being propped up by the likes of Putin who Trump puppets for.

I saw that on YouTube on another news outlet and was laughing at how stupid those talking heads really are.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 09, 2019, 11:28:30 am
Lol, I did not see your post there and mentioned that in my last post...
Lmao 🤣
It’s okay, Weepy, I saw that and giggled.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Texas Pete on May 09, 2019, 06:24:43 pm
New York Senate Passes Bill To Allow Release of Trump's State Tax Returns

The state tax returns will mirror the federal returns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/york-moves-release-trump-tax-212933914.html
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Window Lickers Union on May 09, 2019, 07:43:40 pm
WLU, you are nonsensical.


 If you can't say anything intellectual, better call the poster with the lawfully factual response "nonsensical" and post a Youtube video because you can't form your own thoughts on the matter.


Do you have anything of substance to add of your own thoughts on the matter that isn't a youtube link or an "I agree" after Weepy's every post?

I actually would like to hear what YOU have to say on this.








The idiots on Fox and Fools this morning made it look like losing 1 billion is genius or something.




Berates anyone they disagree with as a "Fox News" watcher.

Implies people who watch Fox News are "Dimwits" and "Dense", among other disparaging insults.

Turns around and admits s/he watches Fox News. 



*slow claps*



Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Weepy on May 09, 2019, 08:24:12 pm
If you can't say anything intellectual, better call the poster with the lawfully factual response "nonsensical" and post a Youtube video because you can't form your own thoughts on the matter.


Do you have anything of substance to add of your own thoughts on the matter that isn't a youtube link or an "I agree" after Weepy's every post?

I actually would like to hear what YOU have to say on this.








Berates anyone they disagree with as a "Fox News" watcher.

Implies people who watch Fox News are "Dimwits" and "Dense", among other disparaging insults.

Turns around and admits s/he watches Fox News. 



*slow claps*

You do know there are many ways to obtain soundbites without watching Fox and do not have to be in the living room all the time like yourself? I guess you never knew and that is why you come off as someone ten years behind the times, oh well....
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 09, 2019, 10:35:00 pm
If you can't say anything intellectual, better call the poster with the lawfully factual response "nonsensical" and post a Youtube video because you can't form your own thoughts on the matter....


*slow claps*
I don’t have to when you have nothing by boneheaded news corporation to parrot, never look at anything objectively says all I need to know. So much for your own intellectual capacity., or is parroting your party all you know?

Go on, show us how wrong you are once again. Thanks 😁
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Window Lickers Union on May 10, 2019, 12:03:55 am
You do know there are many ways to obtain soundbites without watching Fox and do not have to be in the living room all the time like yourself? I guess you never knew and that is why you come off as someone ten years behind the times, oh well....

A soundbite of.... Fox News.

You must be getting "dimwitted" and "dense" if you thought playing semantics was going to get you off the hook.

Try again.


I don’t have to when you have nothing by boneheaded news corporation to parrot, never look at anything objectively says all I need to know. So much for your own intellectual capacity., or is parroting your party all you know?

Go on, show us how wrong you are once again. Thanks 😁


OK, let me get this straight. 

You repeat what Weepy says just about every time s/he posts on a political topic, sometimes almost verbatim. Then you constantly post "corporate News" clips from Youtube without so much as giving me your own opinion on things without said aforementioned "parroting's" when asked directly, all the while accusing others of it.


I would ask again because I genuinely wanted to know -but I won't. The intellectual capacity of your 'logic'  is truly something to behold and has left me contemplative, mostly on if I should reconsider my stance on after-birth abortions.

Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 10, 2019, 03:11:05 am
A soundbite of.... Fox News.

You must be getting "dimwitted" and "dense" if you thought playing semantics was going to get you off the hook.

Try again.



OK, let me get this straight. 

You repeat what Weepy says just about every time s/he posts on a political topic, sometimes almost verbatim. Then you constantly post "corporate News" clips from Youtube without so much as giving me your own opinion on things without said aforementioned "parroting's" when asked directly, all the while accusing others of it.


I would ask again because I genuinely wanted to know -but I won't. The intellectual capacity of your 'logic'  is truly something to behold and has left me contemplative, mostly on if I should reconsider my stance on after-birth abortions.
Yep, you sure are dimwit and bout as dense as they come.

Okay, let me get this straight. You and fs repeat what the other says “ad nauseam” and all from the talking heads at Fox, and now you’re asking me what you actually do?

Wanna try again afterbirth?

I don’t answer to you and you definitely are dense when you don’t even bother to look at things objectively instead of seeing things with your spin of sorry azz vitriol and bias. Do come at me with the facts, or is this all you’re ever capable of doing?

Top of the morning to you, parrot! 😂

Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Window Lickers Union on May 10, 2019, 12:07:54 pm
Yep, you sure are dimwit and bout as dense as they come.

Okay, let me get this straight. You and fs repeat what the other says “ad nauseam” and all from the talking heads at Fox, and now you’re asking me what you actually do?

Wanna try again afterbirth?

I don’t answer to you and you definitely are dense when you don’t even bother to look at things objectively instead of seeing things with your spin of sorry azz vitriol and bias. Do come at me with the facts, or is this all you’re ever capable of doing?

Top of the morning to you, parrot! 😂


Your whole argument rests on the assumption of me actually watching Fox News.   Unlike Weepy who signaled he did, I don't.

Don't you both look foolish about now.

"Do come at me with the facts, or is this all you’re ever capable of doing?"

Project much?

Try again.   
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: fish-sticks on May 10, 2019, 01:12:52 pm
wow .... I don't watch fox either.
I'm more of a reader that reads many sources.

I find things that interest me and go digging.
That's where my opinions come from.

Here's a list of both parties being investigated .....

https://www.govtrack.us/misconduct
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 10, 2019, 02:00:43 pm

Your whole argument rests on the assumption of me actually watching Fox News.   Unlike Weepy who signaled he did, I don't.

Don't you both look foolish about now.

"Do come at me with the facts, or is this all you’re ever capable of doing?"

Project much?

Try again.   
Just as much as you do because you have yet to bring anything of significance besides your vitriol of spin. Well, spin away!

Try again?
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 10, 2019, 02:20:12 pm
wow .... I don't watch fox either.
I'm more of a reader that reads many sources.

I find things that interest me and go digging.
That's where my opinions come from.

Here's a list of both parties being investigated .....

https://www.govtrack.us/misconduct
Thanks for the link that I’ll be studying up on.

However, I wish to point out that I already knew how corrupt both sides are and have pointed this out, as not even I am keen on Hillary Clinton and some others on both sides that literally allowed GWB to walk away from his high crimes. Just as our same old Speaker of The House, one Nancy Pelosi did when she was in control. They could’ve gone after GWB when he was out of office, but didn’t. I wonder why. Huh, I wonder.

I wonder how much Trump and his team of corporate fat cats have paid her off to let the Cheeto man fly scot-free, only time will tell.

I don’t trust her one bit and she should never have been rebranded as speaker cause she had her chance to show some honesty, yet she through all that right out of the window.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 10, 2019, 02:29:15 pm
wow .... I don't watch fox either.
I'm more of a reader that reads many sources.

I find things that interest me and go digging.
That's where my opinions come from.

Here's a list of both parties being investigated .....

https://www.govtrack.us/misconduct
Oh, and one more thing I’d like to add here is the fact how you blatantly ignore the crimes of this president and the spin you always offer are fox and other conservative outlets excuses that I myself have heard all to well.
So while I’ll give you the benefit of doubt on the article you’ve show, yet you yourself have not come to terms that we already have a well known criminal in the White House the needs to be expelled from his post.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 13, 2019, 08:34:50 pm
"Wow, does anyone in this administration know anything about NOT making yourself look guilty as hell?"

I think it has more to do with privacy protection under the 4th amendment. Congress doesn't have the right to anyone's tax returns. The oversight rule has more too do with investigating the IRS.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 14, 2019, 02:52:03 am
"Wow, does anyone in this administration know anything about NOT making yourself look guilty as hell?"

I think it has more to do with privacy protection under the 4th amendment. Congress doesn't have the right to anyone's tax returns. The oversight rule has more too do with investigating the IRS.
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/9/18296806/trump-tax-returns-congress-legal-experts


https://www.accountingtoday.com/articles/trumps-taxes-1924-law-gives-congress-authority-to-see-returns

Yes they indeed do.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 14, 2019, 09:31:26 am
"Yes they indeed do."

They do, but not for the purpose they are doing it now. General warrants or investigating an individual in search of a crime is one of the things we revolted against King George over. A probable cause is needed and the oversight rules, which aren't in the constitution btw, but implied, are for investigating agencies or individuals within an agency who may be something criminal or not carrying out duties intended by Congress.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Der Fuehrer on May 14, 2019, 11:40:50 am
"Yes they indeed do."

They do, but not for the purpose they are doing it now. General warrants or investigating an individual in search of a crime is one of the things we revolted against King George over. A probable cause is needed and the oversight rules, which aren't in the constitution btw, but implied, are for investigating agencies or individuals within an agency who may be something criminal or not carrying out duties intended by Congress.
Probable cause or not, refusing to turn over your tax records (as every other president in modern history has done) looks guilty as hell.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 14, 2019, 12:11:38 pm
Probable cause or not, refusing to turn over your tax records (as every other president in modern history has done) looks guilty as hell.

Voluntarily. Otherwise, with force, we have an imbalance of power of the branches. Without cause is a power Congress had given themselves.

It's like a cop that doesn't like you so he's going to dig into your past with the purpose of ruining your reputation without any indication you were involved in any criminal activity. You may not like the man. I don't have much love for his demeanor myself, but it's about lements of the federal government becoming too powerful and authoritarian for me.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 14, 2019, 12:36:26 pm
elements
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: fish-sticks on May 14, 2019, 02:13:19 pm
Thanks for the link that I’ll be studying up on.

However, I wish to point out that I already knew how corrupt both sides are and have pointed this out, as not even I am keen on Hillary Clinton and some others on both sides that literally allowed GWB to walk away from his high crimes. Just as our same old Speaker of The House, one Nancy Pelosi did when she was in control. They could’ve gone after GWB when he was out of office, but didn’t. I wonder why. Huh, I wonder.

I wonder how much Trump and his team of corporate fat cats have paid her off to let the Cheeto man fly scot-free, only time will tell.

I don’t trust her one bit and she should never have been rebranded as speaker cause she had her chance to show some honesty, yet she through all that right out of the window.
HA!
Finally we agree on something!
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Window Lickers Union on May 15, 2019, 06:30:12 pm
Probable cause or not, refusing to turn over your tax records (as every other president in modern history has done) looks guilty as hell.

Probable cause or not, Trump not having a pet when he entered office (as every other president in modern history has done)  looks guilty as hell -insert unsubstantiated tinfoil hat propaganda here-.


Yes, Der... you look that silly repeating your sentiment over and over.


Are you OK?


Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 15, 2019, 08:45:01 pm
Sentiment? It's a principle we were founded on. Unless you think a cop can just walk into your house and search it for no reason at all other than being a wise guy.  Just an oversight, ya know.

Barr could subpoena Nadler's tax returns then. Maybe it'll work out. 
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Texas Pete on May 15, 2019, 08:52:07 pm
There's a quote button at the top right.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 15, 2019, 08:59:18 pm
There's a quote button at the top right.

Thank you. Very helpful.  :)
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: DuckieDoll on May 15, 2019, 09:49:14 pm
Sentiment? It's a principle we were founded on. Unless you think a cop can just walk into your house and search it for no reason at all other than being a wise guy.  Just an oversight, ya know.

Barr could subpoena Nadler's tax returns then. Maybe it'll work out.
Call me entitled, but i feel a man helping spend my money should be transparent about his. If I'm asking for the banks money, I need to show proof I have no major loses, assests, how I made my money. I can't say I trust government enough to let even the president slide on a moral decision of showing taxes when it comes to taxpayers money. To many people are putting to much trust into government, and the President. No one can complain when future Presidents do the same. Call me crazy but government doesn't get to hide certain things. Government works for the people.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 15, 2019, 11:26:52 pm
Call me entitled, but i feel a man helping spend my money should be transparent about his. If I'm asking for the banks money, I need to show proof I have no major loses, assests, how I made my money. I can't say I trust government enough to let even the president slide on a moral decision of showing taxes when it comes to taxpayers money. To many people are putting to much trust into government, and the President. No one can complain when future Presidents do the same. Call me crazy but government doesn't get to hide certain things. Government works for the people.

Well, we agree with the trusting government part. I feel it's corrupt, too powerful, authoritarian.

I don't understand. Is Trump asking for money? It's not really the government, but Trump's personal life before the presidency. If the IRS has no problems, I don't. It's a 4th amendment right for me. Let it errode and it errods for us all. If a sitting president can violated without any justification, where does it leave the rest of us serfs?
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: DuckieDoll on May 15, 2019, 11:36:58 pm
Well, we agree with the trusting government part. I feel it's corrupt, too powerful, authoritarian.

I don't understand. Is Trump asking for money? It's not really the government, but Trump's personal life before the presidency. If the IRS has no problems, I don't. It's a 4th amendment right for me. Let it errode and it errods for us all. If a sitting president can violated without any justification, where does it leave the rest of us serfs?
I can't say the IRS doesn't have problems. Trump's said hes been under Audit for a couple years now. By his own admission something's wrong there. Anyways it's nice to meet you Teaman, I'll chat more tomorrow 😁
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 15, 2019, 11:44:50 pm
I can't say the IRS doesn't have problems. Trump's said hes been under Audit for a couple years now. By his own admission something's wrong there. Anyways it's nice to meet you Teaman, I'll chat more tomorrow 😁

Sounds good.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 16, 2019, 02:45:54 am
Sentiment? It's a principle we were founded on. Unless you think a cop can just walk into your house and search it for no reason at all other than being a wise guy.  Just an oversight, ya know.

Barr could subpoena Nadler's tax returns then. Maybe it'll work out.
The law was put in place for just this occasion. Or are you one of those that doesn’t mind another criminal in office?

Trump promised well before the election that he would show his tax returns and has done no such thing but give one excuse after another. He’s guilty as hell and you know it.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 16, 2019, 09:43:48 am
The law was put in place for just this occasion. Or are you one of those that doesn’t mind another criminal in office?

Trump promised well before the election that he would show his tax returns and has done no such thing but give one excuse after another. He’s guilty as hell and you know it.

You're right, this law was put in place to address criminal activity in the executive branch. What criminal activity is taking place? He was just cleared by Obergrupenfuhrer Mueller.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 16, 2019, 10:42:33 am
You're right, this law was put in place to address criminal activity in the executive branch. What criminal activity is taking place? He was just cleared by Obergrupenfuhrer Mueller.
A 400 page report was made into 4 pages is not to exonerate but exaggerate the findings. Trump put that guy in place to get himself out of trouble, or they would not be afraid to release the 400 page report.
Why is he afraid to release that report? Cause he knows it doesn’t look good for Trump and company - that’s why.
Why won’t he release his tax returns. Because again, he knows he’s guilty as hell, or he would not be afraid to exonerate himself by releasing them - that’s why.

However, Elisabeth Warren got it and read it on the House floor and I’m proud of her doing that.

This president even has the high court stacked in his favor. So don’t believe him for a second.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 16, 2019, 12:40:10 pm
A 400 page report was made into 4 pages is not to exonerate but exaggerate the findings. Trump put that guy in place to get himself out of trouble, or they would not be afraid to release the 400 page report.
Why is he afraid to release that report? Cause he knows it doesn’t look good for Trump and company - that’s why.
Why won’t he release his tax returns. Because again, he knows he’s guilty as hell, or he would not be afraid to exonerate himself by releasing them - that’s why.

However, Elisabeth Warren got it and read it on the House floor and I’m proud of her doing that.

This president even has the high court stacked in his favor. So don’t believe him for a second.

How did Elizabeth Warren come to be in possession of the report if it wasn't released? If Warren read the unredacted version out loud she may be in violation of the law that protects innocent people who testified before a grand jury. The same reason Barr can't release the unredacted version to the public. Te 400 page redacted version is released to anyone who wants to read it online or in book form.

Again, the IRS didn't find anything wrong with his tax returns. One would hope Mueller looked into them for a complete investigation.

Um, the court and Barr had to be approved by the Senate.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 16, 2019, 01:00:42 pm
How did Elizabeth Warren come to be in possession of the report if it wasn't released? If Warren read the unredacted version out loud she may be in violation of the law that protects innocent people who testified before a grand jury. The same reason Barr can't release the unredacted version to the public. Te 400 page redacted version is released to anyone who wants to read it online or in book form.

Again, the IRS didn't find anything wrong with his tax returns. One would hope Mueller looked into them for a complete investigation.

Um, the court and Barr had to be approved by the Senate.
I really wish you’d stop drinking the kool-aid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 16, 2019, 01:50:55 pm
I really wish you’d stop drinking the kool-aid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump

Okay, and...?
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 18, 2019, 11:29:15 pm
Okay, and...?
And so, if he didn’t have anything to hide, why doesn’t he want them released for vindication? That’s “and”. 😆
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 19, 2019, 09:57:41 pm
And so, if he didn’t have anything to hide, why doesn’t he want them released for vindication? That’s “and”. 😆

There are people who were trying to destroy him from the day he won the primary. Would you release them? For all I know, he may have had every intention of releasing them until the phony investigations began. You know there wouldn't be any kind of vindication.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 20, 2019, 09:32:20 am
There are people who were trying to destroy him from the day he won the primary. Would you release them? For all I know, he may have had every intention of releasing them until the phony investigations began. You know there wouldn't be any kind of vindication.
The only thing he won was the congressional vote and not the people’s which Hillbilly Hilary had by nearly 3 million votes. And since when did he ever once give out any of his tax returns? So the only phony that we have always had is clearly sitting his fat ass in the White House.
Just stop lying for him. Thanks

On another note:
https://youtu.be/AT73vf64pAI
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 20, 2019, 10:33:35 am
The only thing he won was the congressional vote and not the people’s which Hillbilly Hilary had by nearly 3 million votes. And since when did he ever once give out any of his tax returns? So the only phony that we have always had is clearly sitting his fat ass in the White House.
Just stop lying for him. Thanks

On another note:
https://youtu.be/AT73vf64pAI

We were founded on a federalist system. The national government is a government of a federation of states unless the left succeeds in forming an all-powerful centralized government that smacks of fascism. The states elect their president. A democracy with a central power is mob rule.

I never said he released them. I said he probably had intentions until some people didn't accept the election results and tried to destroy him. I'm not lying for him. He wasn't my first choice.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 20, 2019, 10:36:18 am
BTW, I think Alabama went too far and that law will probably be overturned in the supreme court.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 20, 2019, 12:46:56 pm
We were founded on a federalist system. The national government is a government of a federation of states unless the left succeeds in forming an all-powerful centralized government that smacks of fascism. The states elect their president. A democracy with a central power is mob rule.

I never said he released them. I said he probably had intentions until some people didn't accept the election results and tried to destroy him. I'm not lying for him. He wasn't my first choice.
And you don’t think this is happening as we speak, because?
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Realtime on May 20, 2019, 12:48:07 pm
We were founded on a federalist system. The national government is a government of a federation of states unless the left succeeds in forming an all-powerful centralized government that smacks of fascism. The states elect their president. A democracy with a central power is mob rule.

I never said he released them. I said he probably had intentions until some people didn't accept the election results and tried to destroy him. I'm not lying for him. He wasn't my first choice.
Still pushing the Tenther crazy I see.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tenther
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 20, 2019, 12:50:43 pm
Still pushing the Tenther crazy I see.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tenther
I very much agree.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 21, 2019, 09:32:45 am
Still pushing the Tenther crazy I see.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tenther

Still pushing totalitarianism is see. 
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 21, 2019, 09:35:42 am
I very much agree.

So, do you think the federal government should be enforcing its marijuana laws in Colorado?  It's illegal federally. That's tentherism or federalism.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: DuckieDoll on May 21, 2019, 09:47:32 am
(https://i.imgur.com/uU1tgcr.jpg)
Just throwing some humor out there! Good morning everyone!😂
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Realtime on May 21, 2019, 01:23:44 pm
Still pushing totalitarianism is see.
Hah__you still get lost on word meanings eh?
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 21, 2019, 01:53:24 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/uU1tgcr.jpg)
Just throwing some humor out there! Good morning everyone!😂

Smoky the Bear
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 21, 2019, 01:59:24 pm
Hah__you still get lost on word meanings eh?

Hah! You're ruled by federal bureaucracies and there ain't a thing you can do about it.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/totalitarianism

Maybe they'll come up with an electric people's car with the green new deal.  :D

Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Realtime on May 21, 2019, 04:49:30 pm
Hah! You're ruled by federal bureaucracies and there ain't a thing you can do about it.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/totalitarianism

Maybe they'll come up with an electric people's car with the green new deal.  :D
Not me pal__really, not me.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 22, 2019, 10:36:28 am
Not me pal__really, not me.

Do you know where the rest of the Topix crew went?
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 22, 2019, 12:01:05 pm
Do you know where the rest of the Topix crew went?
Just stop lying for the liar in chief. 🙏
https://apple.news/AV2YFng9fRkeKYDL7o71vNw
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Realtime on May 22, 2019, 12:10:36 pm
Do you know where the rest of the Topix crew went?
Not the "crew" but I have bumped into a couple of the occasional posters on Reddit Politics (New). You probably won't like that forum.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 22, 2019, 12:17:41 pm
So, do you think the federal government should be enforcing its marijuana laws in Colorado?  It's illegal federally. That's tentherism or federalism.
You really should really take that to your holier than thou republicans and see what they can do, eh? Cause last I looked they seem to think that “somehow states have jurisdiction over the federal government” that actually has the final say on anything. Period.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: DuckieDoll on May 22, 2019, 12:35:37 pm
BTW, I think Alabama went too far and that law will probably be overturned in the supreme court.
Lower courts, even Republican majority like the 11th circuit have to follow laws made by Supreme Court, so I think it will be stuck down, as unconstitutional. A Republican judge out of Georgias federal court admitted he didn't like it, but law, is law. I can't see it making it to the Supreme Court, but there's already a couple of cases being weighed in on that themselves could dismantle small portions of Roe v Wade.

Teaman if you're looking for some old political posters, I saw on Reddit when reading some had signed up with Political Jack. You could check there.
Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 22, 2019, 12:42:35 pm
You really should really take that to your holier than thou republicans and see what they can do, eh? Cause last I looked they seem to think that “somehow states have jurisdiction over the federal government” that actually has the final say on anything. Period.

Not jurisdiction over, but separate jurisdictions. States don't enforce money counterfeit laws for one example. There is a jurisdiction "over" when states are involved with discrimination, fraud, corruption, and so forth.

By your answer, I take it you're in favor of the federal government enforcing their anti-marijuana laws in Colorado?

Title: Re: Steven Mnuchin Refuses to Release Trump’s Tax Returns to Congress
Post by: Teaman on May 22, 2019, 12:47:48 pm
Lower courts, even Republican majority like the 11th circuit have to follow laws made by Supreme Court, so I think it will be stuck down, as unconstitutional. A Republican judge out of Georgias federal court admitted he didn't like it, but law, is law. I can't see it making it to the Supreme Court, but there's already a couple of cases being weighed in on that themselves could dismantle small portions of Roe v Wade.

Teaman if you're looking for some old political posters, I saw on Reddit when reading some had signed up with Political Jack. You could check there.

I agree. The supreme court should strike down Alabama's law. Although the decision (Roe v. Wade) recognizes the state's right to regulate abortions, this is an outright ban.

Political Jack? I'll check it out. Thanks.