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Title: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Texas Pete on March 07, 2019, 11:04:56 pm
I'm of the thought that this is a no brainer, get your children vaccined!
Any opposing thoughts?
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: joanna50 on March 08, 2019, 03:36:37 am
I'm of the thought that this is a no brainer, get your children vaccined!
Any opposing thoughts?
I have 0 trust in the government but there is no evidence that kids being vaccinated has any adverse effects
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on March 08, 2019, 05:58:32 am
We vaccinated our kids. Have a doctor friend who vaccinated 2 of his kids and 1 he didn't,  the one he didn't has autism.  He has said he wished he had vaccinated him and that there is no correlation of vaccinations causing autism. 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Window Lickers Union on March 08, 2019, 06:00:47 am
I have 0 trust in the government but there is no evidence that kids being vaccinated has any adverse effects

Interesting take, Joanna. Let me counter with this.



One could draw conclusions using parallel timelines of vaccine usage with abnormal human behaviors that go against natural and cultural norms. Let's take a look, shall we?


In 1796, with Edward Jenner’s innovations, was his successful use of cowpox material to create immunity to smallpox. Within 40 years, enough time for the inoculated to have children, 1840's women started lashing out towards their biological dispositions not only in nature but also culturally.  Since the dispersion of medicine was slower back in the 19th century and the primitive type it (the vaccine) was, it would explain the 40 year gap between it's usage and it's outward noticeable effects.

During this time slavery was also abolished in the "civilized" vaccinated world. Slavery, a natural human and cultural phenomenon that has gone on since the beginning of human existence wiped out within one generation.(1865 in the US, 1834 in the UK, Spain and France also in the early 1800's.) The consequences of the effects of this vaccine was probably the first ever to effect humans on a global scale, and millions died going against their evolutionary prerogative.




Louis Pasteur’s 1885 rabies vaccine, chicken cholera and Anthrax vaccines was the next to make an impact on human behaviors. Some of these vaccines were injected into the food chain (cows, horse, goats, sheep, chickens) and in turn, consumed by humans. The on going unnatural and freakish women's suffrage movement comes to a boiling point in the 1920's. The 1930's, where the US has seen wide spread use of vaccines, the 'Dust Bowl', where human farmers completely forgot how to farm properly, causing massive waves of famine and starvation. This also could explain the cause of the so called  'world' wars within the vaccinated "civilized" European sphere when the rest of the world was relatively peaceful and unvaccinated.


During the mid 20th century, with the mass production and inoculation of the western world. We have seen the abnormal effects of vaccination with the integration of the negro into white society, rampant homosexuality, radical feminism, the 'sexual revolution' and so much more.  Just take the "sexual revolution" and feminism as a prime example. Women who once only mated with the "prime providers", a well known evolutionary trait to propagate the species now have flooded the world with grotesque, sickly kids from the shallow end of the gene-pool.  Just look at all the amount of sub-prime, welfare baby incubators popping out kids from the 'beta-male' class compare to middle class America/Europe, or even the rich.  Totally against evolutionary standards and this is the only time in history this has ever been recorded. It's no coincidence that it coincides with mass vaccinations.




The "powers that be" have hidden this epidemic crisis from us and blurred it's outward signs with the use of technology (Farm machinery, GPS, Google, Spell Check).Look how many things that now have to be done by machines because humans have de-evolved against nature due to vaccine use. Clearly they are using mass hysteria about fake 'germs' to inject us, dumbing us down. How else do you think they will usher in a one world government?     It's nuts! How does anyone not see this?



With that said, "The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act" in the US and the "Vaccine Damage Payment" in the UK ,1986 and 1997 respectively. Even though maybe not an admission of guilt, one can assume that maybe it would be cheaper to pay hush money than to open yourself up to a lawsuit and investigation. Personally, I don't care if it did have a very small percentage of side effects, clearly the benefit of vaccinations outweighs the negatives. It also should be legally mandated globally for public health reasons - your "parental rights" be damned.



Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: joanna50 on March 08, 2019, 08:54:10 am
Interesting take, Joanna. Let me counter with this.



One could draw conclusions using parallel timelines of vaccine usage with abnormal human behaviors that go against natural and cultural norms. Let's take a look, shall we?


In 1796, with Edward Jenner’s innovations, was his successful use of cowpox material to create immunity to smallpox. Within 40 years, enough time for the inoculated to have children, 1840's women started lashing out towards their biological dispositions not only in nature but also culturally.  Since the dispersion of medicine was slower back in the 19th century and the primitive type it (the vaccine) was, it would explain the 40 year gap between it's usage and it's outward noticeable effects.

During this time slavery was also abolished in the "civilized" vaccinated world. Slavery, a natural human and cultural phenomenon that has gone on since the beginning of human existence wiped out within one generation.(1865 in the US, 1834 in the UK, Spain and France also in the early 1800's.) The consequences of the effects of this vaccine was probably the first ever to effect humans on a global scale, and millions died going against their evolutionary prerogative.




Louis Pasteur’s 1885 rabies vaccine, chicken cholera and Anthrax vaccines was the next to make an impact on human behaviors. Some of these vaccines were injected into the food chain (cows, horse, goats, sheep, chickens) and in turn, consumed by humans. The on going unnatural and freakish women's suffrage movement comes to a boiling point in the 1920's. The 1930's, where the US has seen wide spread use of vaccines, the 'Dust Bowl', where human farmers completely forgot how to farm properly, causing massive waves of famine and starvation. This also could explain the cause of the so called  'world' wars within the vaccinated "civilized" European sphere when the rest of the world was relatively peaceful and unvaccinated.


During the mid 20th century, with the mass production and inoculation of the western world. We have seen the abnormal effects of vaccination with the integration of the negro into white society, rampant homosexuality, radical feminism, the 'sexual revolution' and so much more.  Just take the "sexual revolution" and feminism as a prime example. Women who once only mated with the "prime providers", a well known evolutionary trait to propagate the species now have flooded the world with grotesque, sickly kids from the shallow end of the gene-pool.  Just look at all the amount of sub-prime, welfare baby incubators popping out kids from the 'beta-male' class compare to middle class America/Europe, or even the rich.  Totally against evolutionary standards and this is the only time in history this has ever been recorded. It's no coincidence that it coincides with mass vaccinations.




The "powers that be" have hidden this epidemic crisis from us and blurred it's outward signs with the use of technology (Farm machinery, GPS, Google, Spell Check).Look how many things that now have to be done by machines because humans have de-evolved against nature due to vaccine use. Clearly they are using mass hysteria about fake 'germs' to inject us, dumbing us down. How else do you think they will usher in a one world government?     It's nuts! How does anyone not see this?



With that said, "The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act" in the US and the "Vaccine Damage Payment" in the UK ,1986 and 1997 respectively. Even though maybe not an admission of guilt, one can assume that maybe it would be cheaper to pay hush money than to open yourself up to a lawsuit and investigation. Personally, I don't care if it did have a very small percentage of side effects, clearly the benefit of vaccinations outweighs the negatives. It also should be legally mandated globally for public health reasons - your "parental rights" be damned.
You should be a science fiction writer, start your own religion and call it Church of the **** envy, you and L. Ron Hubbard seem to have a lot in common, except he's dead, I guess he's just dicking around until he comes back in a different body
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: fish-sticks on March 28, 2019, 10:04:13 am
All my kids were vaccinated all doing well
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on March 28, 2019, 10:34:30 am
All my kids were vaccinated all doing well
We vaccinated our 2 kids except our son couldn't get the Hep. B vaccine as he has Hep. B from his birth mother. He underwent infereon (sp.) and is considered to be in remission. We have told him that his future spouse will have had to have the Hep. B. vaccine.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 15, 2019, 03:34:09 am
When I hear and read about what is going into these vaccines, I think I would be hesitant for my kids too. I mean I believe in getting Measles shots, any shot needed, but the stuff they are using in todays shots may be very different than say 50 years ago, or even 10 years ago.  I think people are just afraid of what these shots can do, alot of stuff is being said out here, whether the stuff is true I don't know, have to dig deeper.

You think as years go by the vaccines would  get better, not worse and cause diseases (I don't know if this is prooven yet) must dig deeper in research this info.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 15, 2019, 03:55:25 am
Even the flu shots arn't effective, so why get them? I havn't had a flu shot in several years, and not been sick once, just minor colds.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on September 15, 2019, 08:06:03 am
When I hear and read about what is going into these vaccines, I think I would be hesitant for my kids too. I mean I believe in getting Measles shots, any shot needed, but the stuff they are using in todays shots may be very different than say 50 years ago, or even 10 years ago.  I think people are just afraid of what these shots can do, alot of stuff is being said out here, whether the stuff is true I don't know, have to dig deeper.

You think as years go by the vaccines would  get better, not worse and cause diseases (I don't know if this is prooven yet) must dig deeper in research this info.
For the most part there is no evidence showing getting your kids vaccinated is harmful but there is a ton of facts showing not going and vaccinated is harmful. Chicken pox, measles, mumps and all have been on the rise against ones who didn't vaccinate. 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 15, 2019, 05:50:43 pm
For the most part there is no evidence showing getting your kids vaccinated is harmful but there is a ton of facts showing not going and vaccinated is harmful. Chicken pox, measles, mumps and all have been on the rise against ones who didn't vaccinate.

From what I hear in the news, these shots go against some peoples Religions. I don't know what religions they are, but we do have alot of Immigrants here. Have never heard of a Measle outbreak before, I'm thinking maybe that is also the reason, Religions-or that is fake news. Alot of people dont want these shots for whatever the reason is. Maybe there is bad ingredients going into the shots. Nurses don't want to take the flu shot for its ingridients. Maybe there is some truth to this stuff.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on September 15, 2019, 06:06:26 pm
From what I hear in the news, these shots go against some peoples Religions. I don't know what religions they are, but we do have alot of Immigrants here. Have never heard of a Measle outbreak before, I'm thinking maybe that is also the reason, Religions-or that is fake news. Alot of people dont want these shots for whatever the reason is. Maybe there is bad ingredients going into the shots. Nurses don't want to take the flu shot for its ingridients. Maybe there is some truth to this stuff.
No truth in any of it unless you believe that hype. Not sure what nurses you talk to but all my nurse friends and the nurses I have advise to get the flu shots, just because it might not cover one strain of flu it will prevent another strain. Some people who don't want to get vaccinated believe that it causes autism, no correlation at all in that.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 15, 2019, 10:21:43 pm
No truth in any of it unless you believe that hype. Not sure what nurses you talk to but all my nurse friends and the nurses I have advise to get the flu shots, just because it might not cover one strain of flu it will prevent another strain. Some people who don't want to get vaccinated believe that it causes autism, no correlation at all in that.

There were big stories in the news sev. years ago, that nurses were forced to take their flu shots or get fired in certain states. How do we know its hype, there are studies done vaccines give autism. It's getting bad out here when people cant trust FDA. Alot of FDA foods say they are safe, and later studies find foods are not.

Everyhing is about money, and who cares about the people. It's always been this way.

just like when they said smake vapor ciggs, they are safe and good way to quit smoking. Now they say stop, they kill.

All this hype about ciggaretts being addictive and bad for you, yet legalize pot as a rec. drug this is good for you, its nat - ur - al! What a joke, all about money.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 15, 2019, 10:28:20 pm
There were big stories in the news sev. years ago, that nurses were forced to take their flu shots or get fired in certain states. How do we know its hype, there are studies done vaccines give autism. It's getting bad out here when people cant trust FDA. Alot of FDA foods say they are safe, and later studies find foods are not.

Everyhing is about money, and who cares about the people. It's always been this way.

just like when they said smake vapor ciggs, they are safe and good way to quit smoking. Now they say stop, they kill.

All this hype about ciggaretts being addictive and bad for you, yet legalize pot as a rec. drug this is good for you, its nat - ur - al! What a joke, all about money.

My point is, what is the truth? As in these expamples, 1st its safe, than it kills you.

No wonder people are afraid of taking these vaccines, who knows what they put in them.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 15, 2019, 10:33:28 pm
No truth in any of it unless you believe that hype. Not sure what nurses you talk to but all my nurse friends and the nurses I have advise to get the flu shots, just because it might not cover one strain of flu it will prevent another strain. Some people who don't want to get vaccinated believe that it causes autism, no correlation at all in that.

I would need proof measle vaccines are safe from a reliable source before I would give it too my kids if i had any.

As far as the flu vac. I don't need it.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 15, 2019, 11:02:30 pm
https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/goes-vaccine/

What goes into a vaccine
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 15, 2019, 11:10:14 pm
No truth in any of it unless you believe that hype. Not sure what nurses you talk to but all my nurse friends and the nurses I have advise to get the flu shots, just because it might not cover one strain of flu it will prevent another strain. Some people who don't want to get vaccinated believe that it causes autism, no correlation at all in that.

Nurses decline flu vacine - some examples. They don't like the flu shot ingredients, they say is harmful to your body.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5410084/

https://www.intoxicatedonlife.com/truth-about-flu-vaccine/

https://www.governing.com/topics/health-human-services/khn-flu-shot-vaccine-hospital-workers.html

https://nurse.org/articles/vaccine-controversy-within-the-nursing-profession/



Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on September 16, 2019, 07:21:25 am
I would need proof measle vaccines are safe from a reliable source before I would give it too my kids if i had any.

As far as the flu vac. I don't need it.
If you don't want to get the measles vaccine that is your choice but when your child ends up with measles than you will say you should have. As a matter of fact many schools won't let you enroll your kids without immunizations such as measles vaccine. I know you have no kids so when you do your decisions will change, a good pediatrician will tell you that you are putting your children in jeopardy of not getting them immunized. 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on September 16, 2019, 07:23:02 am
Nurses decline flu vacine - some examples. They don't like the flu shot ingredients, they say is harmful to your body.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5410084/

https://www.intoxicatedonlife.com/truth-about-flu-vaccine/

https://www.governing.com/topics/health-human-services/khn-flu-shot-vaccine-hospital-workers.html

https://nurse.org/articles/vaccine-controversy-within-the-nursing-profession/
Sorry, I will trust my friends who are nurses and have you seen the reports of those who didn't get the fluhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/02/14/this-years-flu-vaccine-is-doing-well-deaths-are-still-high/ vaccine and died.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on September 16, 2019, 07:23:48 am
https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/index4.html
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 16, 2019, 06:26:13 pm
https://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/index4.html

Its no wonder people are losing faith in lots of things. Medical Science, govenrment, FDA, News, just about anything today is lies. Getting harder to see the truth out here in my opinion.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 16, 2019, 06:27:24 pm
Its no wonder people are losing faith in lots of things. Medical Science, govenrment, FDA, News, just about anything today is lies. Getting harder to see the truth out here in my opinion.

global Climate change, on and on..... Which stories are true and which are false ? Gotta Dig Deeper,


What I do when i make decicians is, gather all the info. i can about something, and decide whats best for me.

Concerning the Flu vac. I am a heatlthy person (so far) I dont get cold much, so I decide not to take the flu vaccine.

Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on September 16, 2019, 06:39:20 pm
What I do when i make decicians is, gather all the info. i can about something, and decide whats best for me.

Concerning the Flu vac. I am a heatlthy person (so far) I dont get cold much, so I decide not to take the flu vaccine.
It isn't a cold that causes the flu. That is a common misconception. 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 16, 2019, 06:43:20 pm
It isn't a cold that causes the flu. That is a common misconception.

i never mentioned what causes a flu, i just meant that I hardly ever get cold, and stated I am healthy, ( so my immune system is pretty good) so therefore I don't need the fly vac.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on September 16, 2019, 07:04:13 pm
i never mentioned what causes a flu, i just meant that I hardly ever get cold, and stated I am healthy, ( so my immune system is pretty good) so therefore I don't need the fly vac.
You posted that you don't get cold much or get colds and that seems to be why you don't get the flu vaccine. Neither one has anything to do with flu vaccines. It only takes one flu strain to wipe out the immune system. And just because you are healthy doesn't mean you can't get the flu.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 16, 2019, 08:04:15 pm
You posted that you don't get cold much or get colds and that seems to be why you don't get the flu vaccine. Neither one has anything to do with flu vaccines. It only takes one flu strain to wipe out the immune system. And just because you are healthy doesn't mean you can't get the flu.

Never said healthy people can't get the flu, just stating I don't need the flu, don't get colds too often.

(https://i.imgur.com/AGQiIf6.gif) Here is a Homemade Giff i just made - have a good evening.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on September 17, 2019, 04:23:03 pm
Never said healthy people can't get the flu, just stating I don't need the flu, don't get colds too often.

(https://i.imgur.com/AGQiIf6.gif) Here is a Homemade Giff i just made - have a good evening.
Again a cold and a flu are 2 totally different things.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 17, 2019, 08:46:05 pm
Again a cold and a flu are 2 totally different things.

This conversation I think will go on for ever, so I will put a stop to it. LOL

Stay well, flues or colds are no fun.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on September 21, 2019, 02:06:05 pm
What I do when i make decicians is, gather all the info. i can about something, and decide whats best for me.

Concerning the Flu vac. I am a heatlthy person (so far) I dont get cold much, so I decide not to take the flu vaccine.

Here's some information, I'm almost certain you've never heard before, very informative and credible source, a mama!

https://youtu.be/_3a4nyKoR0s
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on September 21, 2019, 02:38:23 pm
Here's some information, I'm almost certain you've never heard before, very informative and credible source, a mama!

https://youtu.be/_3a4nyKoR0s

I'll check it out when i get more time, I'm sure its interesting.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on September 22, 2019, 08:14:11 am
I'll check it out when i get more time, I'm sure its interesting.
Check this out first

Everything I Learned While Getting Kicked out of America's Biggest Anti-Vaccine Conference

https://jezebel.com/everything-i-learned-while-getting-kicked-out-of-americ-1834992879

Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on September 22, 2019, 02:39:52 pm
Check this out first

Everything I Learned While Getting Kicked out of America's Biggest Anti-Vaccine Conference

https://jezebel.com/everything-i-learned-while-getting-kicked-out-of-americ-1834992879

Getting a bit hard-up for sources? JEZEBEL, you should really do some homework!

Why is a tech-giant like Bill Gates, wound around the axle of global immunization programs?

Can you provide, a single independent lab report on any "modern-day" vaccine?

Ps loved Merlan's book cover too...The Eye Of Horus...
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on September 28, 2019, 12:29:55 pm
No you nor anyone else can provide independent lab test because none exsist!
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on October 02, 2019, 06:05:52 am
Lupron is one of the latest drugs, these satanist-quacks, are giving to our childern, as a hormone blocker. It is not FDA approved for this purpose. Therefore, prescribed as "off-label" use, if that makes any difference. It's a killer!
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on October 02, 2019, 10:13:40 pm
Lipitor taken off market because it killls? ....but the Vaccines are safe...time to wake up!
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on October 16, 2019, 07:41:57 am
The people’s veto campaign seeking to overturn a Maine law that eliminated philosophical and religious exemptions for childhood vaccinations has raised nearly one-third of its contributions from the chiropractic industry.

According to an analysis of $161,841 in donations made to the Mainers for Health and Parental Rights political action committee, $51,225 was raised from more than three dozen chiropractors, nearly all in Maine. That total includes a $25,000 loan from Stephanie Grondin, the office manager at Capital City Chiropractic, the Augusta practice where her husband, Travis Grondin, treats patients.

from The Press Herald
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on October 20, 2019, 07:57:30 pm
Here's some information, I'm almost certain you've never heard before, very informative and credible source, a mama!

https://youtu.be/_3a4nyKoR0s

Aborted babies in our food, how can they get away with this I wonder? Money talks evil walks.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Mark J on October 20, 2019, 08:15:58 pm
Aborted babies in our food, how can they get away with this I wonder? Money talks evil walks.

Its worse than that. They cut his little pecker off!

the before pic

(https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/711x711/https://blogs-images.forbes.com/melindanewman/files/2016/09/nirvana_nevermind_cover-800x800-800x800.jpg?width=960)
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on October 20, 2019, 08:17:34 pm
Its worse than that. They cut his little pecker off!

the before pic

(https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/711x711/https://blogs-images.forbes.com/melindanewman/files/2016/09/nirvana_nevermind_cover-800x800-800x800.jpg?width=960)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Texas Pete on October 20, 2019, 08:18:19 pm
Its worse than that. They cut his little pecker off!

the before pic

(https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/711x711/https://blogs-images.forbes.com/melindanewman/files/2016/09/nirvana_nevermind_cover-800x800-800x800.jpg?width=960)
Looks like they got the foreskin first! lol
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on October 20, 2019, 08:30:27 pm
Its worse than that. They cut his little pecker off!

the before pic

(https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/711x711/https://blogs-images.forbes.com/melindanewman/files/2016/09/nirvana_nevermind_cover-800x800-800x800.jpg?width=960)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dwik4hNs8Y

Clones
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on October 22, 2019, 10:23:46 pm
Ever heard of sv40? The CDC admits it was in the Polio vaccine for a "number" of years!
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on November 25, 2019, 04:37:10 pm
Facebook Bans All Content On Vaccine Awareness, Including Facts About Vaccine Ingredients...Big Brother doesn't even want us talking about it...anymore...

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/facebook-bans-all-content-vaccine-awareness-including-facts-about-vaccine-ingredients
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Mark J on November 25, 2019, 05:44:21 pm
"...Samoa measles outbreak worsens with death toll reaching 22
23 November 2019  ..."
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on November 27, 2019, 11:56:48 am
Facebook Bans All Content On Vaccine Awareness...

'Vaccine Awareness' my arse!  It's simply your RW religious nutz lies.  The entire internet should ban you nutz and your lies.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on November 27, 2019, 07:38:21 pm
Facebook Bans All Content On Vaccine Awareness, Including Facts About Vaccine Ingredients...Big Brother doesn't even want us talking about it...anymore...

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/facebook-bans-all-content-vaccine-awareness-including-facts-about-vaccine-ingredients

 Everyone has the right to know what the ingredients are. This is lunacy.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on November 27, 2019, 07:45:20 pm
'Vaccine Awareness' my arse!  It's simply your RW religious nutz lies.  The entire internet should ban you nutz and your lies.
It lies more than Nixon did.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on November 27, 2019, 08:03:51 pm
Everyone has the right to know what the ingredients are. This is lunacy.

Everyone that can read and use the internet can easily find out vaccine ingredients from government sources.

The only lunacy here is that there are people too lazy or too conspiracy minded to think there's something secret going on.

Save us from stupid and lazy people!
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on November 27, 2019, 08:04:45 pm
It lies more than Nixon did.

Damn straight!
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on November 27, 2019, 08:36:25 pm
Everyone that can read and use the internet can easily find out vaccine ingredients from government sources.

The only lunacy here is that there are people too lazy or too conspiracy minded to think there's something secret going on.

Save us from stupid and lazy people!
It floors me when these people think everything is a conspiracy in life.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on November 28, 2019, 11:34:11 pm
It floors me when these people think everything is a conspiracy in life.

Butting in here. I don't think everything is a conpiracy, speaking for myself. Some conspircies turn out to be true.

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving PL
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on November 29, 2019, 12:31:40 am
Butting in here. I don't think everything is a conpiracy, speaking for myself. Some conspircies turn out to be true.

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving PL
Half the stuff that it comes up with are conspiracy theories all of which have been debunked.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on November 30, 2019, 03:38:37 pm
"Author Jennifer Jaynes, who recently wrote a novel that reveals corruption and malevolent intent on the part of the vaccine industry, died suddenly on Monday, November 25th. No cause of death has been issued by either her parents or the authority".

update; according to AmarketNews.com. (Not one gunshot, but two.) The death was reportedly ruled a “suicide,” which begs the question of how a person can shoot themselves in the head twice." Time to wake up people!

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/11/29/bestselling-novelist-who-wrote-about-vaccine-industry-deception-found-dead/
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on November 30, 2019, 03:42:51 pm
Everyone has the right to know what the ingredients are. This is lunacy.

Past the third polio vaccine, lab-testing results have never been released to the piblic.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on November 30, 2019, 07:26:16 pm
"RFK, Jr. Responds to Criticism from His Family...Three of my Kennedy relatives recently published an article criticizing my advocacy for safe vaccines" ....

https://vaccineimpact.com/2019/robert-f-kennedy-jr-publishes-censored-response-to-kennedy-familys-criticisms-on-vaccine-safety-which-exposes-industry-corruption/
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Mark J on December 01, 2019, 09:27:30 pm
"...'There are no words': Samoa buries its children as measles outbreak worsens
In six weeks, a measles outbreak has infected 3,000 people out of a population of 200,000, killing 42, mostly children..."
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on December 01, 2019, 10:55:58 pm
"...'There are no words': Samoa buries its children as measles outbreak worsens
In six weeks, a measles outbreak has infected 3,000 people out of a population of 200,000, killing 42, mostly children..."

guess what Teddy, the sky is not falling! Relax, take another antidepressant, get some sleep.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 02, 2019, 06:47:13 pm
I wont get the flu shot until its at least 80 percent effective.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 02, 2019, 09:33:33 pm
I wont get the flu shot until its at least 80 percent effective.

It would be a great idea for you vaccine conspiracy theorists to refuse all vaccinations and suffer the consequences of your actions.

The world could do without you.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 02, 2019, 10:29:16 pm
Some conspircies turn out to be true.

List them.  This should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 02, 2019, 11:18:11 pm
It would be a great idea for you vaccine conspiracy theorists to refuse all vaccinations and suffer the consequences of your actions.

The world could do without you.

This isn't a conspiracy, its fact the flu shots are not effective.  For the ast several years that I am aware of, its documented only 30-50 percent effective. Check it out. Thats why I stopped getting them.

Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 02, 2019, 11:19:27 pm
It would be a great idea for you vaccine conspiracy theorists to refuse all vaccinations and suffer the consequences of your actions.

The world could do without you.

If I had a serious illness, I would get the flu shot, but I dont have a serious illness.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 02, 2019, 11:32:37 pm
This isn't a conspiracy, its fact the flu shots are not effective.  For the ast several years its documented only 30-50 percent effective. Check it out. Thats why I stopped getting them.

Do you even pay attention to the crap you say?

You say the Flu shot is not effective, then turn right around and point out they are effective.

With the way the Flu virus evolves, I sincerely doubt said vaccine will ever be perfectly 100% effective, but please don't ever get vaccinated. 

The world can truly do without you people that continually put others at risk by your foolishness.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 02, 2019, 11:42:36 pm
Don't ignore this.

Some conspircies turn out to be true.

List them.  This should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 03, 2019, 10:28:07 pm
Do you even pay attention to the crap you say?

You say the Flu shot is not effective, then turn right around and point out they are effective.

With the way the Flu virus evolves, I sincerely doubt said vaccine will ever be perfectly 100% effective, but please don't ever get vaccinated. 

The world can truly do without you people that continually put others at risk by your foolishness.
She won't.  Every time she gets her feelings hurt, she cries about the tone of voice people use as if she can really hear a person's tone of voice on here.
I personally get a pneumonia shot and that seems more effective to me than the flu shot.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 03, 2019, 11:28:38 pm
She won't.  Every time she gets her feelings hurt, she cries about the tone of voice people use as if she can really hear a person's tone of voice on here.
I personally get a pneumonia shot and that seems more effective to me than the flu shot.

Those dummies get on places like this, spew their moronic BS, then when intelligent people point out the stupidity that abounds in their tripe, they invariably start to whining hoping someone will feel sorry for them.

They want to spam places with their crap and want to be left alone to do it.

Well, that's not the way the world works.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 04, 2019, 07:50:25 am
Those dummies get on places like this, spew their moronic BS, then when intelligent people point out the stupidity that abounds in their tripe, they invariably start to whining hoping someone will feel sorry for them.

They want to spam places with their crap and want to be left alone to do it.

Well, that's not the way the world works.
Nope, she told on a thread that she was in her 20's and then came back on a different thread that she was in her 50's. No 50 years old act as ignorant as she does.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Mark J on December 04, 2019, 02:04:33 pm
"...Samoa measles: Unvaccinated families told to hang red flag on door..."


This is what we can expect on account of the anti vax-ers.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on December 04, 2019, 02:56:33 pm
"...Samoa measles: Unvaccinated families told to hang red flag on door..."


This is what we can expect on account of the anti vax-ers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 04, 2019, 11:38:59 pm
"...Samoa measles: Unvaccinated families told to hang red flag on door..."


This is what we can expect on account of the anti vax-ers.

The average American IQ is less than one hundred and has dropped another point since I originally researched it.

So you can figure where all those mental midgets rank - certainly less than average.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 05, 2019, 05:55:59 am
"...Samoa measles: Unvaccinated families told to hang red flag on door..."


This is what we can expect on account of the anti vax-ers.
I can't for the life of me as a parent understand why parents don't and won't immunize their children.  It is crazy 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on December 05, 2019, 07:49:13 am
BATON ROUGE - The most expensive drug in the world could be a possible cure for a 16-month-old boy.

Axel Dennis was diagnosed with Spinal Muscular Atrophy Type 1 at five weeks old. SMA is a genetic disease the affects muscle movement. Axel's mother, Andrea James, says her son's muscles aren't getting messages from his brain.

"We were told one to two years and bring him home and enjoy him the best we could, but there were no guarantees of his life span," James said.

In January, he lost his ability to smile.

Earlier this year, the FDA approved Zolgensma for children with SMA under the age of two. The infusion halts the disorder in its tracks and doesn't allow it to progress further. The single-dose drug has been praised by the SMA community but it's incredibly expensive at more than $2 million.

Axel's Louisiana Medicaid has refused to cover the cost.

"We've been denied twice and now we're applying for the State Fair Hearing," James said. "I think that they just don't want to pay the price."

In his treatment denial letter, it says Axel doesn't meet certain criteria to receive the dose. James says it's because he has a trach tube, which is used to help expand Axel's lungs.

It's now a race against time. The family has eight months before Axel turns two. James has heard and seen what the drug can do and wishes it for everyone.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 05, 2019, 09:22:41 pm
I can't for the life of me as a parent understand why parents don't and won't immunize their children.  It is crazy

It's because we have such a mass of stupid people who refuse to be educated and learn anything but BS conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 05, 2019, 09:30:27 pm
BATON ROUGE - The most expensive drug in the world could be a possible cure for a 16-month-old boy.

I'm of two minds about situations like this.

I feel sorry for the child and wish a cure.

On the other hand, I see that people breeding these diseases through genetics should consider letting nature take its course to keep it out of the gene pool.

The more we save those who would not normally survive, the more we keep diseases and deformities in the gene pool.

It's a dilemma.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 05, 2019, 09:44:42 pm
BATON ROUGE - The most expensive drug in the world could be a possible cure for a 16-month-old boy.

Axel Dennis was diagnosed with Spinal Muscular Atrophy Type 1 at five weeks old. SMA is a genetic disease the affects muscle movement. Axel's mother, Andrea James, says her son's muscles aren't getting messages from his brain.

"We were told one to two years and bring him home and enjoy him the best we could, but there were no guarantees of his life span," James said.

In January, he lost his ability to smile.

Earlier this year, the FDA approved Zolgensma for children with SMA under the age of two. The infusion halts the disorder in its tracks and doesn't allow it to progress further. The single-dose drug has been praised by the SMA community but it's incredibly expensive at more than $2 million.

Axel's Louisiana Medicaid has refused to cover the cost.

"We've been denied twice and now we're applying for the State Fair Hearing," James said. "I think that they just don't want to pay the price."

In his treatment denial letter, it says Axel doesn't meet certain criteria to receive the dose. James says it's because he has a trach tube, which is used to help expand Axel's lungs.

It's now a race against time. The family has eight months before Axel turns two. James has heard and seen what the drug can do and wishes it for everyone.

Pharmaseutical companies are EVIL!!!! All meds are expensive, way over the top. They could bring the prices down but won't because they are GREEDY, AND THAT'S TRUTH NOT FICTION, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 05, 2019, 09:48:30 pm
I'm of two minds about situations like this.

I feel sorry for the child and wish a cure.

On the other hand, I see that people breeding these diseases through genetics should consider letting nature take its course to keep it out of the gene pool.

The more we save those who would not normally survive, the more we keep diseases and deformities in the gene pool.

It's a dilemma.
What do you mean by breeding these diseases through genetics? Do you mean the parent or parents had Spinal Muscular Atrophy Type 1 ?
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 05, 2019, 10:19:22 pm
Pharmaseutical companies are EVIL!!!! All meds are expensive, way over the top. They could bring the prices down but won't because they are GREEDY, AND THAT'S TRUTH NOT FICTION, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!

What you're seeing is the end result of Capitalism when it's not highly regulated.

It's corrupted every aspect of American life.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on December 06, 2019, 07:33:04 am
What do you mean by breeding these diseases through genetics? Do you mean the parent or parents had Spinal Muscular Atrophy Type 1 ?
Not all diseases but certainly a few. You may recall the San Diego news anchor Bree Walker who inherited electrodactyly and then knowingly passed it on to one child, then another. She caught hell over that decision and it may have cost her her marriage to Jim Lampley.

Electrodactyly is the rare condition that causes deformed hands and feet.

There are dozens of other diseases that are almost guaranteed to appear in offspring and hundreds that are likely to. Better safe than sorry, plenty of kids available for adoption or just make do without knowing there's a chance your child could have a very rough life.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Teaman on December 06, 2019, 08:50:23 am
What you're seeing is the end result of Capitalism when it's not highly regulated.

It's corrupted every aspect of American life.

Blaming a system for the acts of individuals? smh.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 06, 2019, 09:50:49 am
I see the powers that be here is taking retaliation for a conversation behind the scenes about Quills/BK and his 'minions' by removing some of my posts replying to Jackie.

No notification either, obviously hoping I wouldn't notice.

That's a weasel way to act.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 06, 2019, 09:55:23 am
Blaming a system for the acts of individuals? smh.

An economic system that reduces human actions and interaction to the almighty dollar is an overriding corrupting influence.

If you bother to pay attention, you can see it happening all around you every day.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Teaman on December 06, 2019, 10:52:23 am
An economic system that reduces human actions and interaction to the almighty dollar is an overriding corrupting influence.

If you bother to pay attention, you can see it happening all around you every day.

Every system has a corrupting influence. With other systems, those corrupted people are in charge and have complete power. Capitalism is driven by innovation and creativity. It has brought more products and wealth to the individual than any other. If you're referring to crony capitalism, I may agree with you. That smacks a little bit of fascism. Government corporatism.

The almighty dollar? Would that include the consumer that camps out in front of the Apple store waiting for the new I Phone? And, again, one can't condemn a system for the actions of the individual.

Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 06, 2019, 12:56:23 pm
Here's a simple explanation:

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society, generally, for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 06, 2019, 01:36:39 pm
Pharmaseutical companies are EVIL!!!! All meds are expensive, way over the top. They could bring the prices down but won't because they are GREEDY, AND THAT'S TRUTH NOT FICTION, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!
It is the insurance companies that cause the issues not really the pharmaceutical companies on that one. Insurance dictates what they will or will not pay.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 06, 2019, 01:37:28 pm
Not all diseases but certainly a few. You may recall the San Diego news anchor Bree Walker who inherited electrodactyly and then knowingly passed it on to one child, then another. She caught hell over that decision and it may have cost her her marriage to Jim Lampley.

Electrodactyly is the rare condition that causes deformed hands and feet.

There are dozens of other diseases that are almost guaranteed to appear in offspring and hundreds that are likely to. Better safe than sorry, plenty of kids available for adoption or just make do without knowing there's a chance your child could have a very rough life.
Exactly
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jimmy on December 06, 2019, 10:40:38 pm
Here's a simple explanation:

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society, generally, for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.

The biggest threat to democracy, America, society, and this site in general is dummies like you who think you have the answer to it all.

I just had a thought... go lick some windows and worry about your small sized pen1s
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 06, 2019, 10:56:00 pm
It is the insurance companies that cause the issues not really the pharmaceutical companies on that one. Insurance dictates what they will or will not pay.

They are all in it together. You have to have health insurance today, or your out in the cold.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 06, 2019, 11:25:28 pm
Not all diseases but certainly a few. You may recall the San Diego news anchor Bree Walker who inherited electrodactyly and then knowingly passed it on to one child, then another. She caught hell over that decision and it may have cost her her marriage to Jim Lampley.

Electrodactyly is the rare condition that causes deformed hands and feet.

There are dozens of other diseases that are almost guaranteed to appear in offspring and hundreds that are likely to. Better safe than sorry, plenty of kids available for adoption or just make do without knowing there's a chance your child could have a very rough life.

But if a parent doesnt know they have a disease, it cant be helped. There are diseases that cant be tested, no one knows.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 06, 2019, 11:27:48 pm
Welp, I have a cold since last night, did not get the flu shot. Just taking nyquil max strength tablets, every 6 hours, eating soup, and plan to rest this weekend. I feel ok, so far.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 06, 2019, 11:52:45 pm
They are all in it together. You have to have health insurance today, or your out in the cold.
I know a lot of peiple who don't have health insurance and pay as they go. More and nore are doing that. Is it the smart thig to do, not trally but they also could not afford health insurance. Of course they are realtively healthy people so it works for them for now.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 06, 2019, 11:56:03 pm
I know a lot of peiple who don't have health insurance and pay as they go. More and nore are doing that. Is it the smart thig to do, not trally but they also could not afford health insurance. Of course they are realtively healthy people so it works for them for now.

Well, medicines are too expensive to pay as you go for anyone. Good for them. There is a toe medicine out there costs 2,000 for a tiny bottle of a month supply.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 07, 2019, 12:05:10 am
Well, medicines are too expensive to pay as you go for anyone. Good for them. There is a toe medicine out there costs 2,000 for a tiny bottle of a month supply.
It won't help them to pay as they go if they have to go to the hospital for any type of procedure.  One hospital visit can wipe you out. As I posted they are relatively healthy but when they get older that isn't going to help them when you have to have certain tests that everyone has to have.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 07, 2019, 12:10:03 am
It won't help them to pay as they go if they have to go to the hospital for any type of procedure.  One hospital visit can wipe you out. As I posted they are relatively healthy but when they get older that isn't going to help them when you have to have certain tests that everyone has to have.

Any hospital procedure is a fortune. Same as meds, its good they don't need any daily meds for life.

That's why I say the insurnce co. and pharmaseutical co are in it together. They make the costs so high, forcing you to get health insurance. Those days of pay as you go are bye-bye.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 07, 2019, 12:14:26 am
Any hospital procedure is a fortune. Same as meds, its good they don't need any daily meds for life.

That's why I say the insurnce co. and pharmaseutical co are in it together. They make the costs so high, forcing you to get health insurance. Those days of pay as you go are bye-bye.
It is a risk to do that and not have insurance  same as it is risk  to not get the flu shot or any other vaccines.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 07, 2019, 12:21:22 am
It is a riak to do that and not have insurance  same as it is risk  to not get the flu shot or any other vaccines.

Well, I wont get the flu vaccine until its at least 80 percent effective. Same with mammograms, I will wait till the test is better, alot of false positives going on.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 07, 2019, 12:37:36 am
Well, I wont get the flu vaccine until its at least 80 percent effective. Same with mammograms, I will wait till the test is better, alot of false positives going on.
Not getting a mammogram is wrong, I get one every year and have never had a false positive.  Your risk of getting breast cancer is higher by not getting one of if there is a family history of breast cancer. Having had 2 parents with cancer, I get a mammogram even though it was not breast cancer that they had. Here they have 3D imaging and no way, can one get a false reading on that. I hope you don't get breast cancer but not getting a mammogram is playing a huge risk. Not one I would take a chance on and if you end up with breast cancer, your going to be out a lot of money for chemo, radiation and even having a mastectomy. 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 07, 2019, 01:05:08 am
Not getting a mammogram is wrong, I get one every year and have never had a false positive.  Your risk of getting breast cancer is higher by not getting one of if there is a family history of breast cancer. Having had 2 parents with cancer, I get a mammogram even though it was not breast cancer that they had. Here they have 3D imaging and no way, can one get a false reading on that. I hope you don't get breast cancer but not getting a mammogram is playing a huge risk. Not one I would take a chance on and if you end up with breast cancer, your going to be out a lot of money for chemo, radiation and even having a mastectomy.

It's a risk not to get one. I'll check into 3d imaging. Breast cancer is not in my family, but cancer yes.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 07, 2019, 01:14:20 am
It's a risk not to get one. I'll check into 3d imaging. Breast cancer is not in my family, but cancer yes.
If cancer runs in your family than the chances of you getting breast cancer is higher even if that isn't the cancer they have.  I know women who didn't get a mammogram,  had no history of breast cancer and got breast cancer, had they gotten a routine mammogram,  early detection would have prevented them from chemo, radiation and having breast cancer. It is not worth the risk to go without.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on December 08, 2019, 01:56:21 pm
"Big Tech is now banning ALL “unauthorized comments” about vaccines, including vaccine ingredients, side effects, autism, etc. – censorship is about way more than just politics!"

https://newstarget.com/2019-11-28-big-tech-banning-unauthorized-comments-vaccines-side-effects-autism-censorship.html

Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 08, 2019, 03:47:52 pm
"Big Tech is now banning ALL “unauthorized comments” about vaccines, including vaccine ingredients, side effects, autism, etc. – censorship is about way more than just politics!"

https://newstarget.com/2019-11-28-big-tech-banning-unauthorized-comments-vaccines-side-effects-autism-censorship.html

Wow! is all I gotta say, don't want to get reported.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: ICON on December 08, 2019, 09:25:55 pm
Well, I wont get the flu vaccine until its at least 80 percent effective. Same with mammograms, I will wait till the test is better, alot of false positives going on.
Jackie, We nearly eradicated the measles and we were safe from the harmful effects caused by the measles. Due to people feeling just like you about vaccines and refusing to be inoculated, the measles are making a comeback. The same can be said for whooping cough. That having been said, the flu vaccine doesn't hurt you. It only benefits you and protects you and others around you. It's entirely possible that the reason you haven't gotten the flu is because others around you have protected you by getting the vaccine. I've gotten the flu vaccine for years. In 2009, I got H1N1 flu even though I had received the flu shot. I was very, very, sick. I didn't blame the flu shot and the flowing year, I still faithfully got my flu shot. In 2013 some friends talked me into skipping the shot claiming that because I worked around kids with germs I had built up a natural resistance. Well, lucky me, I got the flu twice that year and ended up in the hospital with pneumonia. In addition since I was so sick, I also ended up with shingles. It wasn't a lot of fun.

I'm not trying to post a sob story. I'd just like for you to understand that by getting the flu shot, you're protecting yourself, your loved ones, others you come in contact with, children, and it's free. Excuse the pun but I believe you should give it a shot.

As for the mammogram, they don't even do an initial mammogram until you're in your 40s. There's absolutely no risk to having a mammogram done and if you have the initial mammogram, it's much easier to detect a problem if one should arise.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 08, 2019, 09:40:06 pm
Jackie, We nearly eradicated the measles and we were safe from the harmful effects caused by the measles. Due to people feeling just like you about vaccines and refusing to be inoculated, the measles are making a comeback. The same can be said for whooping cough. That having been said, the flu vaccine doesn't hurt you. It only benefits you and protects you and others around you. It's entirely possible that the reason you haven't gotten the flu is because others around you have protected you by getting the vaccine. I've gotten the flu vaccine for years. In 2009, I got H1N1 flu even though I had received the flu shot. I was very, very, sick. I didn't blame the flu shot and the flowing year, I still faithfully got my flu shot. In 2013 some friends talked me into skipping the shot claiming that because I worked around kids with germs I had built up a natural resistance. Well, lucky me, I got the flu twice that year and ended up in the hospital with pneumonia. In addition since I was so sick, I also ended up with shingles. It wasn't a lot of fun.

I'm not trying to post a sob story. I'd just like for you to understand that by getting the flu shot, you're protecting yourself, your loved ones, others you come in contact with, children, and it's free. Excuse the pun but I believe you should give it a shot.

As for the mammogram, they don't even do an initial mammogram until you're in your 40s. There's absolutely no risk to having a mammogram done and if you have the initial mammogram, it's much easier to detect a problem if one should arise.
Agree on all that and so sorry, you had the flu and pneumonia. 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 09, 2019, 09:52:29 am
Jackie, We nearly eradicated the measles and we were safe from the harmful effects caused by the measles. Due to people feeling just like you about vaccines and refusing to be inoculated, the measles are making a comeback. The same can be said for whooping cough. That having been said, the flu vaccine doesn't hurt you. It only benefits you and protects you and others around you. It's entirely possible that the reason you haven't gotten the flu is because others around you have protected you by getting the vaccine. I've gotten the flu vaccine for years. In 2009, I got H1N1 flu even though I had received the flu shot. I was very, very, sick. I didn't blame the flu shot and the flowing year, I still faithfully got my flu shot. In 2013 some friends talked me into skipping the shot claiming that because I worked around kids with germs I had built up a natural resistance. Well, lucky me, I got the flu twice that year and ended up in the hospital with pneumonia. In addition since I was so sick, I also ended up with shingles. It wasn't a lot of fun.

I'm not trying to post a sob story. I'd just like for you to understand that by getting the flu shot, you're protecting yourself, your loved ones, others you come in contact with, children, and it's free. Excuse the pun but I believe you should give it a shot.

As for the mammogram, they don't even do an initial mammogram until you're in your 40s. There's absolutely no risk to having a mammogram done and if you have the initial mammogram, it's much easier to detect a problem if one should arise.

Well, a member in my family just got the flu shot, he was sick, then I got sick , now my moms svery sick and now in the hospital. Thanks to the flu shot.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 09, 2019, 11:01:40 am
Flu shots get people sick, and when that person gets a flu shot and has other health issues, they get sick. And pass it along to others, and if those people have health issues they become seriously sick. 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 09, 2019, 11:04:39 am
Well, a member in my family just got the flu shot, he was sick, then I got sick , now my moms svery sick and now in the hospital. Thanks to the flu shot.
It probably wasn't the flu shot that made them sick but more in likely they had the flu or a strain of the flu. Some people do get sick after the flu shot but not always to the point of hospitalization.  I actually have a friend whose grandson has had the flu shot and he got sick from a virus that wasn't flu virus and the doctors even said without him having the flu shot that he could have died.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 09, 2019, 11:08:30 am
It probably wasn't the flu shot that made them sick but nore in likely they had the flu or a strain of the flu. Some people do get sick after the flu shot but not always to the point of hospitalization.  I actually have a friend whose grandson has had the flu shot and he got sick from a virus that wasn't flu virus and the doctors even said without him having the flu shot that he could have died.

I hope your right, because the way I'm seeing it now my stepfather's flu shot made him very sick, he had to go to the hospital, then my mom got it, and she never gets colds, ever!! Now she's in the hospital.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 09, 2019, 11:58:18 am
It probably wasn't the flu shot that made them sick but more in likely they had the flu or a strain of the flu. Some people do get sick after the flu shot but not always to the point of hospitalization.  I actually have a friend whose grandson has had the flu shot and he got sick from a virus that wasn't flu virus and the doctors even said without him having the flu shot that he could have died.

Update, just found out my mom was discharged, was getting ready to visit. She was only there 4 hours. Who knows how she got the cold, blame it on the rain, as the song goes. Thanks for your concern. But I'm still not getting the flu shot.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 09, 2019, 01:25:24 pm
Update, just found out my mom was discharged, was getting ready to visit. She was only there 4 hours. Who knows how she got the cold, blame it on the rain, as the song goes. Thanks for your concern. But I'm still not getting the flu shot.
You probably need to check the stats on number of people who died and didn't get a flu shot.  The numbers are staggering.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: ICON on December 09, 2019, 02:20:20 pm
I hope your right, because the way I'm seeing it now my stepfather's flu shot made him very sick, he had to go to the hospital, then my mom got it, and she never gets colds, ever!! Now she's in the hospital.
For what it's worth, the flu shot does not contain any live virus therefore scientifically it cannot give you the flu. It can however, in some people, make you sore and uncomfortable temporarily but nothing that would require a hospital visit. Keep in mind, it takes approximately 2 weeks to become completely effective after receiving the vaccine. Therefore, if you were already exposed to the flu prior to receiving the shot or exposed within a few days of receiving the vaccine, you could still get the flu.

Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: ICON on December 09, 2019, 02:27:17 pm
Update, just found out my mom was discharged, was getting ready to visit. She was only there 4 hours. Who knows how she got the cold, blame it on the rain, as the song goes. Thanks for your concern. But I'm still not getting the flu shot.
There's currently a strain of Adult RSV going around which is not the flu but it can be very debilitating for the elderly. I don't know how old your parents are but they may have contracted that virus.

You've made yourself clear about getting the flu vaccine. I personally think that's very unfortunate for you and anyone you might come in contact with but ultimately it's your decision. My instinct is you merely felt the need to argue and dispute the facts. That's ok too. I don't mind at all. When I'm not busy, I'm happy to add my two cents. I learned a long time ago, sometimes you just can't turn a donkey.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on December 09, 2019, 02:50:50 pm
For what it's worth, the flu shot does not contain any live virus therefore scientifically it cannot give you the flu. It can however, in some people, make you sore and uncomfortable temporarily but nothing that would require a hospital visit. Keep in mind, it takes approximately 2 weeks to become completely effective after receiving the vaccine. Therefore, if you were already exposed to the flu prior to receiving the shot or exposed within a few days of receiving the vaccine, you could still get the flu.
There are two types of the so called "flu shot" one administered by injection usually in the upper arm and the other administered by nasal mist. The nasal mist treatment includes a weakened form of "live virus."

As a cancer survivor with clotting complications I've been encouraged to get both the flu and pneumonia injections and warned, forbidden in my case, to accept the nasal treatment.

https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/flu-shot-nasal-spray#1
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 09, 2019, 03:25:56 pm
There's currently a strain of Adult RSV going around which is not the flu but it can be very debilitating for the elderly. I don't know how old your parents are but they may have contracted that virus.

You've made yourself clear about getting the flu vaccine. I personally think that's very unfortunate for you and anyone you might come in contact with but ultimately it's your decision. My instinct is you merely felt the need to argue and dispute the facts. That's ok too. I don't mind at all. When I'm not busy, I'm happy to add my two cents. I learned a long time ago, sometimes you just can't turn a donkey.

Thanks for the info.The donkey comment I don't get.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 09, 2019, 03:28:03 pm
There are two types of the so called "flu shot" one administered by injection usually in the upper arm and the other administered by nasal mist. The nasal mist treatment includes a weakened form of "live virus."

As a cancer survivor with clotting complications I've been encouraged to get both the flu and pneumonia injections and warned, forbidden in my case, to accept the nasal treatment.

https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/flu-shot-nasal-spray#1

I had no idea people with cancer should get the flu shot. I guess anybody with heath issues should.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: ICON on December 09, 2019, 03:44:00 pm
There are two types of the so called "flu shot" one administered by injection usually in the upper arm and the other administered by nasal mist. The nasal mist treatment includes a weakened form of "live virus."

As a cancer survivor with clotting complications I've been encouraged to get both the flu and pneumonia injections and warned, forbidden in my case, to accept the nasal treatment.

https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/flu-shot-nasal-spray#1
Thank you for the info. I didn't know the flu mist contained live virus and honestly thought it was only used in small children. That's interesting. I can understand why it would be offered to adults because I know a few people that are absolutely terrified of shots. LOL
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 09, 2019, 03:44:35 pm
Thanks for the info.The donkey comment I don't get.

https://www.cdc.gov/rsv/factsheet-older-adults.html

Read this, never heard of it, they have no vaccine for this.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: ICON on December 09, 2019, 03:45:56 pm
Thanks for the info.The donkey comment I don't get.
That doesn't surprise me in the least and it's not important at all.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 09, 2019, 04:08:48 pm
There are two types of the so called "flu shot" one administered by injection usually in the upper arm and the other administered by nasal mist. The nasal mist treatment includes a weakened form of "live virus."

As a cancer survivor with clotting complications I've been encouraged to get both the flu and pneumonia injections and warned, forbidden in my case, to accept the nasal treatment.

https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/flu-shot-nasal-spray#1
Thanks for the info. Like ICNO,  I always thought the nasal mist was for children. I was told at my daughter's orthodontist appointment today that the pneumonia shot is now good forever instead of 5 years.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 09, 2019, 04:10:19 pm
There's currently a strain of Adult RSV going around which is not the flu but it can be very debilitating for the elderly. I don't know how old your parents are but they may have contracted that virus.

You've made yourself clear about getting the flu vaccine. I personally think that's very unfortunate for you and anyone you might come in contact with but ultimately it's your decision. My instinct is you merely felt the need to argue and dispute the facts. That's ok too. I don't mind at all. When I'm not busy, I'm happy to add my two cents. I learned a long time ago, sometimes you just can't turn a donkey.
I am wondering if RSV is what my friend's grandson had as he had pneumonia like symptoms and asthma like symptoms but don't know for sure if that is what it was.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on December 10, 2019, 07:44:30 am
If cancer runs in your family than the chances of you getting breast cancer is higher even if that isn't the cancer they have.  I know women who didn't get a mammogram,  had no history of breast cancer and got breast cancer, had they gotten a routine mammogram,  early detection would have prevented them from chemo, radiation and having breast cancer. It is not worth the risk to go without.
New

Hair dyes linked to higher risk of breast cancer: study

Moreover, the risk of dye-linked cancer appeared much higher for black women, researchers noted

https://www.salon.com/2019/12/09/hair-dyes-linked-to-higher-risk-of-breast-cancer-study/
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 10, 2019, 12:24:30 pm
New

Hair dyes linked to higher risk of breast cancer: study

Moreover, the risk of dye-linked cancer appeared much higher for black women, researchers noted

https://www.salon.com/2019/12/09/hair-dyes-linked-to-higher-risk-of-breast-cancer-study/
I had heard that.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on December 10, 2019, 02:28:55 pm
I had heard that.
Might help explain why the incidence of breast cancer has been on the rise for the past 50 years.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 10, 2019, 03:23:15 pm
Might help explain why the incidence of breast cancer has been on the rise for the past 50 years.
Exactly so and why black women are at a higher risk.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Teaman on December 11, 2019, 03:55:28 pm
Here's a simple explanation:

Capitalism is anti-social; a predatory economic system based on benefiting the one and or the elite.  Socialism and Communism are social economic systems based on benefiting society or the many.

Now if you're setting up a society, do you want to promote an economic system that pits everyone against each other, or an economic system that promotes everyone in that society, generally, for the best outcome for everyone?

Anyway, people can probably guess your answer.

You guessed right. I don't know how you come up with predatory. It appears voluntary to me. Pits everyone against each other?

Your socialist systems only benefit the people running them. I remember the best outcome in the old Soviet Union was bread lines.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Teaman on December 11, 2019, 03:57:12 pm
The biggest threat to democracy, America, society, and this site in general is dummies like you who think you have the answer to it all.

I just had a thought... go lick some windows and worry about your small sized pen1s

Oh my, Jimmy!!  You're my new hero.  :)
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Teaman on December 11, 2019, 04:18:41 pm
It's a risk not to get one. I'll check into 3d imaging. Breast cancer is not in my family, but cancer yes.

A doctor's examination found my wife's breast cancer. Well, a small lump. A ct scan and biopsy later confirmed breast cancer. Listen to Purplelady and Icno. Cancer is nothing to play around with.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 11, 2019, 07:57:40 pm
A doctor's examination found my wife's breast cancer. Well, a small lump. A ct scan and biopsy later confirmed breast cancer. Listen to Purplelady and Icno. Cancer is nothing to play around with.

I know it.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 11, 2019, 09:50:57 pm
A doctor's examination found my wife's breast cancer. Well, a small lump. A ct scan and biopsy later confirmed breast cancer. Listen to Purplelady and Icno. Cancer is nothing to play around with.
My mother passed away from ovarian cancer 26 years ago, she thought and so did her general doctor that the doctor he had referred her too did a total hysterectomy.  He didn't know nor did she that the ob/gyn at the time only did a partial so she didn't get the routine stuff done. People said we should have sued her doctors but we just didn't do that because as my dad said it would not bring her back so what was the point but she was adamant that my sister and I get routine exams and I encourage all women to do so.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Teaman on December 11, 2019, 10:45:28 pm
My mother passed away from ovarian cancer 26 years ago, she thought and so did her general doctor that the doctor he had referred her too did a total hysterectomy.  He didn't know nor did she that the ob/gyn at the time only did a partial so she didn't get the routine stuff done. People said we should have sued her doctors but we just didn't do that because as my dad said it would not bring her back so what was the point but she was adamant that my sister and I get routine exams and I encourage all women to do so.

That is so sad to hear. Please accept my condolences. That has to be a tough one to take. I guess you were kind of young at the time. That makes it hard.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Lady luck on December 12, 2019, 05:46:27 am
That is so sad to hear. Please accept my condolences. That has to be a tough one to take. I guess you were kind of young at the time. That makes it hard.
I was 29.5, so.not as.young as someone who.loses their parent when they are in their teens or younger. All.of my high school friend's parents were young when they had them so many are still around and in their 70's. My parents had had 3 other kids before me so they were in their 30's when I came along.
Thank you for that and time heals most wounds but it still makes it sad that she missed seeing me getting married, grand children born and adopted and even great grandchildren. 
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Teaman on December 12, 2019, 10:35:03 am
I was 29.5, so.not as.young as someone who.loses their parent when they are in their teens or younger. All.of my high school friend's parents were young when they had then so many are still around and in their 70's. My parents bad had 3 other kids before me so they were in their 30's when I came along.
Thank you for that and time heals most wounds but it still makes it sad that she missed seeing me getting married, grand children born and adopted and even great grandchildren.

29 is still pretty young to lose a parent. I was about 32 when I lost my father. It's pretty tough on you. Again, my condolences.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Jackie on December 13, 2019, 08:36:21 pm
My mother passed away from ovarian cancer 26 years ago, she thought and so did her general doctor that the doctor he had referred her too did a total hysterectomy.  He didn't know nor did she that the ob/gyn at the time only did a partial so she didn't get the routine stuff done. People said we should have sued her doctors but we just didn't do that because as my dad said it would not bring her back so what was the point but she was adamant that my sister and I get routine exams and I encourage all women to do so.

Sorry to hear about that. I had a great Aunt that died from that too. I myself get checked every year for that, since I had endetrimoses bad.

Plus I had one ovary removed, it was a binine tumor age 30. After I had the ovary removed never had cramps after that.

Keep up the good attitude, time does heal wounds.
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Realtime on December 16, 2019, 12:23:22 pm
New Jersey eliminates religious excuses for not vaccinating children.

The  New Jersey Senate Health, Human Services and Senior Citizens Committee approved the bill (A3818) by a 6-4 vote Thursday. Even before the hearing, the measure was listed on Monday’s agenda for action by the full 40-member body.

But hundreds of parents amassed outside the Statehouse in Trenton anyway. The crowds started arriving hours before the afternoon hearing. Hundreds of sign-waving, child-toting parents queued up in the first-floor hallway waiting for space inside the committee room. Before the hearing began, the audience recited the “Serenity Prayer."

They said they were outraged by what they see as government intrusion in violation of their First Amendment right of religious freedom. They vowed to pull their children out of school or move out of New Jersey.

They vowed?  LMAO
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Quills on December 29, 2019, 03:41:13 pm
This happened over a year ago, the article was scrubbed till now!

"ANTI-VACCINE ITALIAN GOVERNMENT SACKS ENTIRE HEALTH EXPERT BOARD"

https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-italian-government-sacks-entire-health-expert-board-1242759

what's most interesting, is Newsweek is not exactly a conservative periodical!
Title: Re: Making the Vaccine Decision
Post by: Sprocket on January 22, 2020, 05:07:21 pm
Just read about the water.. If any hasn't I'll inform you...

"
The contamination of U.S. drinking water with man-made "forever chemicals" is far worse than previously estimated with some of the highest levels found in Miami, Philadelphia and New Orleans, said a report on Wednesday by an environmental watchdog group.

The chemicals, resistant to breaking down in the environment, are known as perfluoroalkyl substances, or PFAS. Some have been linked to cancers, liver damage, low birth weight and other health problems."

just read that and no vaccine..