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Title: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Mark J on September 11, 2019, 03:21:21 pm
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/a-new-low-nc-republicans-override-governors-veto-while-dems-attended-9-11-ceremony/

Is there really any good reason that all NC republicans should not just be taken outside and be beaten with a strop for 5 or 6 hours?

Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 11, 2019, 10:50:04 pm
Can't say it's anymore cold than Democrats colluding with Russians to write a dossier that was then used as a basis to launch a multi-year investigation of trump for collusion with Russians.  There is no more civility in government.  I fear it will only get worse.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Mark J on September 12, 2019, 12:18:15 am
Can't say it's anymore cold than Democrats colluding with Russians to write a dossier that was then used as a basis to launch a multi-year investigation of trump for collusion with Russians.  There is no more civility in government.  I fear it will only get worse.

Jeez,, you silly people still trying to sell that lie?   Not to mention the lame azz whataboutism, you mother had better sense than to let you get away with that and Americans do too.

The sleazy right is walking the green mile, spud. Quit wasting your time on them.

Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 09:24:35 am
Jeez,, you silly people still trying to sell that lie?   Not to mention the lame azz whataboutism, you mother had better sense than to let you get away with that and Americans do too.

The sleazy right is walking the green mile, spud. Quit wasting your time on them.

He is right. There is no more civility in government.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/409817-russia-collusion-bombshell-dnc-lawyers-met-with-fbi-on-dossier-before
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Weepy on September 12, 2019, 11:02:25 am
He is right. There is no more civility in government.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/409817-russia-collusion-bombshell-dnc-lawyers-met-with-fbi-on-dossier-before

Because of the lifting of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 by executive order by Reagan , which gave us the likes of RxUSH and Fox News, dumbing down the population like sheep....
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Realtime on September 12, 2019, 11:07:48 am
He is right. There is no more civility in government.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/409817-russia-collusion-bombshell-dnc-lawyers-met-with-fbi-on-dossier-before
Word salad by   "By John Solomon
Opinion Contributor"

Your problem, beyond being uninformed is that you pay absolutely no attention to dates/times.

Who else but the FBI would the DNC law firm report suspected wrongdoing to?  Obama warned Trump about Flynn along with some of the other craziness going on in his campaign, how do you think Obama came across the information?  Facts are that there was a lot of back and forth between Russians, Trump and people around Trump and Trump was lying out his azz about it. Surely the CIA had suspicions too and also put no trust in Trump.

Count the indictments!

Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 11:14:33 am
Word salad by   "By John Solomon
Opinion Contributor"

Your problem, beyond being uninformed is that you pay absolutely no attention to dates/times.

Who else but the FBI would the DNC law firm report suspected wrongdoing to?  Obama warned Trump about Flynn along with some of the other craziness going on in his campaign, how do you think Obama came across the information?  Facts are that there was a lot of back and forth between Russians, Trump and people around Trump and Trump was lying out his azz about it. Surely the CIA had suspicions too and also put no trust in Trump.

Count the indictments!

Um. the point was the wrongdoing was manufactured.

The indictments were Russians attempting to influence an election. Mueller found no collusion with the Russians.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 11:16:08 am
Because of the lifting of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 by executive order by Reagan , which gave us the likes of RxUSH and Fox News, dumbing down the population like sheep....

I suspected you had fascist tendencies. Is there a problem with free speech?
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Weepy on September 12, 2019, 11:20:34 am
I suspected you had fascist tendencies. Is there a problem with free speech?

It is your type that has problems with free speech, douche and Trump is a fascist wannabe.

Why do teabaggers always say things opposite of reality all the time? That is why you clowns are being laughed at.....
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 11:26:31 am
It is your type that has problems with free speech, douche and Trump is a fascist wannabe.

Why do teabaggers always say things opposite of reality all the time? That is why you clowns are being laughed at.....

What reality is that? No one on the right shuts down speech. Your only response is name-calling. Nothing substantial.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 11:36:57 am
Jeez,, you silly people still trying to sell that lie?   Not to mention the lame azz whataboutism, you mother had better sense than to let you get away with that and Americans do too.

The sleazy right is walking the green mile, spud. Quit wasting your time on them.

How is that a lie?  That's actually what happened.  The Clinton campaign colluded with and paid foreigners including Russians to craft the dossier that they then used to influence American politics and specifically to institute a multi-year investigation of Trump on allegations of colluding with Russians. They colluded with Russians to investigate trump for colluding with Russians. 

Dude the gloves are off and I don't see them coming back on anytime soon.  Partisanship controls everything and working tougher for the common good is out the window.  Unless one party controls congress and the presidency it's going to be next to impossible for anyone to get anything done in a cooperative spirit for the betterment of America.

It's a shame.  People can't even accept losing an election.  If you read about the fall of the Roman republic there are so many parallels.

This is a great read:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Caesar.html?id=aSmr_bVR2-kC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 11:40:55 am
Um. the point was the wrongdoing was manufactured.

The indictments were Russians attempting to influence an election. Mueller found no collusion with the Russians.

Exactly.  Without the dossier which was crafted by colluding with Russians there would be no investigation of trump supposedly colluding with Russians.  It is so ridiculousZ
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 11:46:53 am
If the FBI investigated the Clinton campaign for collusion with Russians (which we know happened for a fact) like they investigated trump for collusion with Russians (which we know didn't happen, at least if you believe the FBI) I'm sure lots of people associate with them would have been indicated.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 11:50:37 am
The whole thing is like the world tuned upside down:

If buttercups buzz'd after the bee
If boats were on land, churches on sea
If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows
And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse
If the mamas sold their babies
To the Gypsies for half a crown
If summer were spring
And the other way 'round
Then all the world would be upside down
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 11:55:56 am
Hillary should have been charged for her whole email scheme.  Lots of lying was told by here and her aides, the whole thing was intentionally set up to skirt the law, and she was only not because Strzok, who hated trump and was incredibly biased, thought it was his responsibility to usurp the will of the voters, who would have never elected Hillary if she had been rightfully charged.  The hubris and arrogance of that guy.  He isn't king maker.  Dude is a dip shyte partisan hack. 
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Realtime on September 12, 2019, 02:07:08 pm
Um. the point was the wrongdoing was manufactured.

The indictments were Russians attempting to influence an election. Mueller found no collusion with the Russians.
It wasn't manufactured, it was in plain sight and the term collusion has become a Trumpism__meaningless. And recall Fusion GPS was initially employed by a Republican never Trumper (Washington Free Beacon) that stopped  his funding after Trump won the nomination

"In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016 when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding investigation into Trump.[28] From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.[29][30][31] In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele produced a 35-page series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.[29][32] Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.[30][31]"

Too bad no one took Trump to task during the R primaries, there was plenty too talk about. Trump, who was fined 10 million dollars for knowingly laundering Russian mob money in his casinos and had been visiting Russia since 1987 claimed that he had no involvement with Russia beyond the beauty pageant. It was all lies, Trump survived his numerous financial misfires only because he was being propped up by Russians.

But you live in a world where Bill got a bj,  Hillary destroyed a blackberry and Obama wore a tan suit.


Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 03:34:53 pm
It wasn't manufactured, it was in plain sight and the term collusion has become a Trumpism__meaningless. And recall Fusion GPS was initially employed by a Republican never Trumper (Washington Free Beacon) that stopped  his funding after Trump won the nomination

"In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016 when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding investigation into Trump.[28] From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.[29][30][31] In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele produced a 35-page series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.[29][32] Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.[30][31]"

Too bad no one took Trump to task during the R primaries, there was plenty too talk about. Trump, who was fined 10 million dollars for knowingly laundering Russian mob money in his casinos and had been visiting Russia since 1987 claimed that he had no involvement with Russia beyond the beauty pageant. It was all lies, Trump survived his numerous financial misfires only because he was being propped up by Russians.

But you live in a world where Bill got a bj,  Hillary destroyed a blackberry and Obama wore a tan suit.

Except a highly biased FBI who was chomping at the bit to take Trump down found no evidence of any propping up or any collusion as you claimed must have happened.

One doesn't need Russians to prop up super wealthy folks. Bankruptcy laws do that already.  When their business ventures make money they profit and a profitable business will keep making money for years to come.  When their business ventures fail they declare bankruptcy and their losses terminate immediately and they don't keep losing money year after year.  So long as one doesn't over extend themselves or kill the goose laying golden eggs (previous successful businesses that are bring in a steady stream Of income) you can keep taking profits from your successful businesses and use them to start new businesses or investing in them.  You don't even need a 50'percent success rate for this to lead to more and more wealth because again when you succeed with a business
It generates revenue year after year and when you lose you get to cut your losses and they don't follow you year after year.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 03:40:29 pm
Except a highly biased FBI who was chomping at the bit to take Trump down found no evidence of any propping up or any collusion as you claimed must have happened.

One doesn't need Russians to prop up super wealthy folks. Bankruptcy laws do that already.  When their business ventures make money they profit and a profitable business will keep making money for years to come.  When their business ventures fail they declare bankruptcy and their losses terminate immediately and they don't keep losing money year after year.  So long as one doesn't over extend themselves or kill the goose laying golden eggs (previous successful businesses that are bring in a steady stream Of income) you can keep taking profits from your successful businesses and use them to start new businesses or investing in them.  You don't even need a 50'percent success rate for this to lead to more and more wealth because again when you succeed with a business
It generates revenue year after year and when you lose you get to cut your losses and they don't follow you year after year.

Not only don't losses follow them year after war but they also get to stick all their creditors with all the debt they have accrued and they are only out their initial capital contribution.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 03:42:24 pm
Give me a business making me 10 million a year in profit and I'd rule the world.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 03:49:42 pm
Give me a business making me 10 million a year in profit and I'd rule the world.

If you have that kind of money coming in every year you can take just one years worth of ten million and invest it conservatively and get an average 6 percent return and have 600k every year to invest in start ups.  Then every other year you can do whatever you want with the ten million. ... blow it on h00kers and c0ke ... whatever.  Of that 600k you are investing in businesses maybe most fail, but enough will succeed that even if you are blowing that 10 million you make, you will start making even more than 10 million a year from the new business ventures that succes.  Now say you still just keep living only off of that 10 million and you keep rolling all the profits from your newly invested businesses into even more businesses such that you are investing even more than 600k every year in new businesses and you eventually get to the point t where in 30-40 years you can accumulate a massive fortune.  You don't even have to be good af picking new business to invest in.  Just don't be terrible and you gotta hit upon success so often.  It's pretty easy once you get enough money if you understand the rules of the game and have some discipline and can handle that sort of money with responsibility.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 03:53:23 pm
It wasn't manufactured, it was in plain sight and the term collusion has become a Trumpism__meaningless. And recall Fusion GPS was initially employed by a Republican never Trumper (Washington Free Beacon) that stopped  his funding after Trump won the nomination

"In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016 when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding investigation into Trump.[28] From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.[29][30][31] In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele produced a 35-page series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.[29][32] Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.[30][31]"

Too bad no one took Trump to task during the R primaries, there was plenty too talk about. Trump, who was fined 10 million dollars for knowingly laundering Russian mob money in his casinos and had been visiting Russia since 1987 claimed that he had no involvement with Russia beyond the beauty pageant. It was all lies, Trump survived his numerous financial misfires only because he was being propped up by Russians.

But you live in a world where Bill got a bj,  Hillary destroyed a blackberry and Obama wore a tan suit.

Your first sentence is correct. Except no information was gained at that time and, as you said, the Republicans backed off when Trump won the primary. The DNC, however, hired Fusion afterward. The information gained at that time came from a dossier provided by Christopher Steele. Manufactured wrongdoing. The FBI allegedly used this Bull s**t information to apply for a FISA search warrant.

Actually, Hillary did destroy congressional subpoenaed e-mails. Could you even begin to imagine if that was the Trump campaign? That equal justice for all crap went right out of the window.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/06/15/inspector-general-report-clinton-emails-secrecy-column/704890002/
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 03:55:21 pm
If you have that kind of money coming in every year you can take just one years worth of ten million and invest it conservatively and get an average 6 percent return and have 600k every year to invest in start ups.  Then every other year you can do whatever you want with the ten million. ... blow it on h00kers and c0ke ... whatever.  Of that 600k you are investing in businesses maybe most fail, but enough will succeed that even if you are blowing that 10 million you make, you will start making even more than 10 million a year from the new business ventures that succes.  Now say you still just keep living only off of that 10 million and you keep rolling all the profits from your newly invested businesses into even more businesses such that you are investing even more than 600k every year in new businesses and you eventually get to the point t where in 30-40 years you can accumulate a massive fortune.  You don't even have to be good af picking new business to invest in.  Just don't be terrible and you gotta hit upon success so often.  It's pretty easy once you get enough money if you understand the rules of the game and have some discipline and can handle that sort of money with responsibility.

Even with a 5 percent return you are gonna do great with that seed fund.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 03:58:17 pm
It wasn't manufactured, it was in plain sight and the term collusion has become a Trumpism__meaningless. And recall Fusion GPS was initially employed by a Republican never Trumper (Washington Free Beacon) that stopped  his funding after Trump won the nomination

"In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016 when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding investigation into Trump.[28] From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.[29][30][31] In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele produced a 35-page series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.[29][32] Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.[30][31]"

Too bad no one took Trump to task during the R primaries, there was plenty too talk about. Trump, who was fined 10 million dollars for knowingly laundering Russian mob money in his casinos and had been visiting Russia since 1987 claimed that he had no involvement with Russia beyond the beauty pageant. It was all lies, Trump survived his numerous financial misfires only because he was being propped up by Russians.

But you live in a world where Bill got a bj,  Hillary destroyed a blackberry and Obama wore a tan suit.

BTW, what the Trump Taj Mahal was fined for was failing to maintain an AML program required by The Financial Crimes Enforcement Act. Someone would be in jail if money laundering was discovered. Since when does money laundering end up with a civil fine?

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-trump-taj-mahal-casino-resort-10-million-significant-and-long
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Realtime on September 12, 2019, 05:52:04 pm
Your first sentence is correct. Except no information was gained at that time and, as you said, the Republicans backed off when Trump won the primary. The DNC, however, hired Fusion afterward. The information gained at that time came from a dossier provided by Christopher Steele. Manufactured wrongdoing. The FBI allegedly used this Bull s**t information to apply for a FISA search warrant.

Actually, Hillary did destroy congressional subpoenaed e-mails. Could you even begin to imagine if that was the Trump campaign? That equal justice for all crap went right out of the window.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/06/15/inspector-general-report-clinton-emails-secrecy-column/704890002/
My post outlined the timeline silly. None of that sht was manufactured it all fell between true and rumored and even the golden shower stuff was never debunked.

US politics is dirty business and at it's highest levels obscene, throw in a known scoundrel, money launderer, tax cheat and con man like Donald Trump and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Hillary's e-mails are the stuff of fiction__get a frikken life pal.

Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Realtime on September 12, 2019, 06:08:50 pm
BTW, what the Trump Taj Mahal was fined for was failing to maintain an AML program required by The Financial Crimes Enforcement Act. Someone would be in jail if money laundering was discovered. Since when does money laundering end up with a civil fine?

https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-trump-taj-mahal-casino-resort-10-million-significant-and-long
People were in jail__Trump was a willing accomplice. BTW the Taj Mahal was Trump's all the way__no corporate curtain to hide behind at that point.

Many of the condo's in Trump Tower and other Trump owned properties are empty, no carpet even, no appliances, owned and passed back and forth by shell companies as a way of moving money around with the end goal of making it legit aka money laundering. Trump is not alone in these schemes, dozens if not hundreds of developers are cowtowing to Russian's and certain others in similar fashion. Trump however was extremely needy and therefore vulnerable.

https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

I know you won't read it and that even if you did you wouldn't understand it leading to your going with Sean Hannity a former carpenter and disc jockey.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Mark J on September 12, 2019, 06:18:09 pm
Interesting how with just one oft repeated zombie lie, and brainless whataboutism, out little right wing guest had manged to spin this thread so far off the uncomfortable topic of the complete lack of morals and the out right pissing on the memories of 911 victims that anyone reading past the second page would have not idea what it is about.

This is the same old tired game internet republican trolls have played since chat boards became a thing.


"...However, the morning of September 11 offered him an unusual opportunity. Many Democrats would want to attend some kind of memorial or remembrance event of the terrible terrorist attacks of 9/11/2001. Sensing that this might give Speaker Moore the opportunity he’d been looking for, the House Minority Leader Darren Jackson sought assurances that no votes would be held before noon on Wednesday. He inquired with the presiding officer Rep. David Lewis, and he received that assurance.

Yet, as soon as the Democrats were otherwise occupied, the House quickly brought the budget veto override bill up for a vote and passed it. In doing so, they relied on deceit and disrespected all those who died or suffered as a result of the 9/11 attacks. They achieved an outcome through undemocratic means. And they obviously care more about that outcome, denying the working poor access to health care, than any political fallout that might result...."

"...I think it’s time to look to the North Carlolina GOP as a kind of worst-possible-case example of where the national party is headed. Nowhere else have I found the Republicans to be more conniving, vindictive, undemocratic and downright criminal. Wednesday provided the latest appalling example...."
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Jimmy on September 12, 2019, 06:20:44 pm
My post outlined the timeline silly. None of that sht was manufactured it all fell between true and rumored and even the golden shower stuff was never debunked.

US politics is dirty business and at it's highest levels obscene, throw in a known scoundrel, money launderer, tax cheat and con man like Donald Trump and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Hillary's e-mails are the stuff of fiction__get a frikken life pal.

"US politics is dirty business and at it's highest levels obscene, throw in a known scoundrel, money launderer, tax cheat and con man like Donald Trump and you've got a recipe for disaster."

I couldn't agree more.

I can only wish that people as a whole i.e. Everyone On Both Sides would accept that fact.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 06:36:16 pm
Hillary's e-mails are the stuff of fiction__get a frikken life pal.

Wrong even CNN has admitted that FBI Agent Strzok changed Comey's Clinton language from "Grossly Negligent" To "Extremely Careless.

The reason why he did that is the prima facie elements for conviction for mishandling classified material under federal law includes and requires proof of  "gross negligence."  So by changing "gross negligence" to "extremely careless" the POS was getting Clinton off the hook and he knew it.

She should have been charged and I guarantee you anyone else would have been charged if they behaved like her.  She met all the elements for conviction and the reported stated as much until Strzok changes the words to get her off.

These are days and they can't be denied.  No lawyer would tell you otherwise.  You don't have to like it but unless you have some evidence
what I say isn't true, you are just spewing lies and misinformation. The record is clearly established on this.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 06:38:07 pm
"US politics is dirty business and at it's highest levels obscene, throw in a known scoundrel, money launderer, tax cheat and con man like Donald Trump and you've got a recipe for disaster."

I couldn't agree more.

I can only wish that people as a whole i.e. Everyone On Both Sides would accept that fact.

His policies for the most part are in America's best interest.  If you want to argue policy using facts and reason I'll be more than happy to.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Jimmy on September 12, 2019, 06:48:52 pm
His policies for the most part are in America's best interest.  If you want to argue policy using facts and reason I'll be more than happy to.
His polices suck from the increasing deficit (that will bankrupt us) to the rolling back of the EPA to his nonstop love of America's adversaries all the while dismissing what made America Great to begin with.

You have no argument that could possibly interest me.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 06:51:42 pm
Meanwhile Strzok and Lisa Page are texing back and forth:

One day via text, they was debating whether they should stay with the FBI and try to rise through the ranks to the level of an assistant director (AD) or join Mueller's special counsel team.

"Who gives a f*ck, one more AD like [redacted] or whoever?" Strzok wrote, weighing the merits of promotion, before apparently suggesting what would be a more attractive role: "An investigation leading to impeachment?"

Lisa Page apparently realized the conversation had gone too far and tried to reel it in. "We should stop having this conversation here," she texted back, adding later it was important to examine "the different realistic outcomes of this case."

A few minutes later Strzok texted his own handicap of the Russia evidence: "You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I'd be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there's no big there there."

***

This was all before the trump investigation was launched.  They knew there was nothing.

Also When Lisa said we should stop the conversation here, it's cause she knew the stuff they were talking about was wrong and it was foolish to text about it and have a written record of it.  I can only imagine what was said between those two in private verbally.

The record is pretty conclusive.  They went soft on Clinton and all out to get trump.

All this stuff is documented and in transcripts and backed up by testimony.  It can't be denied, well
only through lies and misinformation.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 06:59:17 pm
His polices suck from the increasing deficit (that will bankrupt us) to the rolling back of the EPA to his nonstop love of America's adversaries all the while dismissing what made America Great to begin with.

You have no argument that could possibly interest me.

Obama increased the deficit by more than he will and he didn't cut taxes.

I don't like the EPA and environmental stuff.  I'll agree with you on that.

I approve of his approach on North Korea.  Past policy wasn't working at all. We needed to try a new approaches. At least there had been no more testing of nukes. 

I think the whole Russia phobia stuff is completely overblown.  They are a shell of the Soviet Union.  They have been punished for taking the Crimea.  Pretty sure they aren't gonna give it back ever. So I think the right thing to do is punish them with sanctions but work with them where we can. 

Russia isn't the great.  China is and look at how soft Obama was on them.  They promised they wouldn't militarize then and then promptly did and what did Obama do?  Nothing.  What did Obama do with them on trade?  Nothing.  What do you think a dem will do if they were or become president?  Nothing and they will apologize for us not continuing to let them screw us over and they will apologize for Trump trying to get them to change.  China won't ever change if you just keep asking nicely.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 07:01:52 pm
Obama increased the deficit by more than he will and he didn't cut taxes.

I don't like the EPA and environmental stuff.  I'll agree with you on that.

I approve of his approach on North Korea.  Past policy wasn't working at all. We needed to try a new approaches. At least there had been no more testing of nukes. 

I think the whole Russia phobia stuff is completely overblown.  They are a shell of the Soviet Union.  They have been punished for taking the Crimea.  Pretty sure they aren't gonna give it back ever. So I think the right thing to do is punish them with sanctions but work with them where we can. 

Russia isn't the great.  China is and look at how soft Obama was on them.  They promised they wouldn't militarize then and then promptly did and what did Obama do?  Nothing.  What did Obama do with them on trade?  Nothing.  What do you think a dem will do if they were or become president?  Nothing and they will apologize for us not continuing to let them screw us over and they will apologize for Trump trying to get them to change.  China won't ever change if you just keep asking nicely.

Russia isn't the threat, I meant.  China is.  Yet the media and dems are pulling for them in the trade war just cause they don't want trump to do anything good for the country.  They'd rather China keep not reciprocating on free trade and keep stealing technology and forcing technology transfers, than for Trump to stop it.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 07:05:10 pm
China promised they wouldn't militarize their fake islands.  Then they did so on Obama's watch and he did nothing!  Didn't even say anything about it.  He probably apologized to the Chinese in private.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Mark J on September 12, 2019, 10:00:57 pm
^^^ See?  They will say anything, tell any lie, even destroy their own cred, in pathetically desperate attempts to derail a thread about how republican badly behave.

This one has likely been to the right wing classes or the webinars that teach these propaganda tactics.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 10:13:27 pm
People were in jail__Trump was a willing accomplice. BTW the Taj Mahal was Trump's all the way__no corporate curtain to hide behind at that point.

Many of the condo's in Trump Tower and other Trump owned properties are empty, no carpet even, no appliances, owned and passed back and forth by shell companies as a way of moving money around with the end goal of making it legit aka money laundering. Trump is not alone in these schemes, dozens if not hundreds of developers are cowtowing to Russian's and certain others in similar fashion. Trump however was extremely needy and therefore vulnerable.

https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

I know you won't read it and that even if you did you wouldn't understand it leading to your going with Sean Hannity a former carpenter and disc jockey.

The New Republic? smh

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-republic/

You ead that rag and coplain about RT.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 10:19:45 pm
My post outlined the timeline silly. None of that sht was manufactured it all fell between true and rumored and even the golden shower stuff was never debunked.

US politics is dirty business and at it's highest levels obscene, throw in a known scoundrel, money launderer, tax cheat and con man like Donald Trump and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Hillary's e-mails are the stuff of fiction__get a frikken life pal.

Right. I guess USA Today is another right-wing news outlet.

Seriously? Golden showers.? The man is a germaphobe. He went off on one of his cabinet members for coughing in the oval office.  You're really gullible.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 11:34:24 pm
My post outlined the timeline silly. None of that sht was manufactured it all fell between true and rumored and even the golden shower stuff was never debunked.

How about you prove you have never had a golden shower?  You can't unless you have an authenticated video recording of your entire life.

Have you ever heard of Russell's teapot:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Bertrand Russell "wrote that if he were to assert, without offering proof, that a teapot, too small to be seen by telescopes, orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, he could not expect anyone to believe him solely because his assertion could not be proven wrong."

You see, you can't prove their isn't a tiny teapot orbiting the he sun between earth and mars any more than Trump can prove he didn't have a golden shower.  The fact that neither of you can disprove these things has zero probative value and does not in any way suggest there is such a tea pot or that Trump had a golden shower.

Remember Russell's teapot in the future and it will make you a better debater. 
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 11:49:53 pm
Right. I guess USA Today is another right-wing news outlet.

Seriously? Golden showers.? The man is a germaphobe. He went off on one of his cabinet members for coughing in the oval office.  You're really gullible.

You don't even need to get into him being a germaphobe. That's like arguin our teliscooes are so advanced we'd surely see such a teapot if it existed.  If someone is gonna say such a teapot exists or someone had a golden shower, they need to prove it ... you don't have to disprove it in any way.  It's a losing argument to try and make people prove a negative.

Prove King Kong didn't exist at some point in time?  You can't.  That you can't doesn't remotely suggest that he must have existed or was likely to have
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 12, 2019, 11:53:43 pm
^^^ See?  They will say anything, tell any lie, even destroy their own cred, in pathetically desperate attempts to derail a thread about how republican badly behave.

This one has likely been to the right wing classes or the webinars that teach these propaganda tactics.

What lies did I say?  C'mon be specific and use facts to support your contentions and don't do Russell's teapot shyte like your friend.  :)
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Mark J on September 13, 2019, 05:58:12 pm
"...As their 9/11 chicanery makes clear, North Carolina Republicans are some of the worst bad-faith actors in the nation. The Republican-led state legislature led an unprecedented effort to strip Cooper of his powers before he even took office, after an election in which the GOP lost its supermajority in the House and Senate. That was a particularly anti-democratic move, but it is hardly unique to the Tar Heel State.

It’s a replica of efforts by Republicans in Wisconsin in the aftermath of former Gov. Scott Walker’s 2018 defeat, when they attempted to remove Gov.-elect Tony Evers' power to approve major actions by the attorney general and hand that authority instead to Republican lawmakers. Republicans in Michigan also suddenly wanted to limit the incoming governor's power after Democrats swept every statewide office in last year’s midterms.

In Florida, when voters overwhelmingly voted to restore voting rights to 1.4 million former convicted felons, Republican lawmakers circumvented the will of the people with a bill that effectively blocked most of them all over again.

And when Republicans didn’t change the rules in response to recent Democratic electoral victories, they ran away and brought the government to a standstill. Republican senators in Oregon fled the state to prevent Democrats from voting on an expansive cap-and-trade bill to limit greenhouse gas emissions earlier this year.

Throughout the country — such as in Tennessee, which has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the country — Republicans have tried to block electoral change by imposing egregious restrictions on voter registration drives.

David Frum told us years ago that if conservatives can’t win at the ballot box, they won’t abandon conservatism — they will abandon democracy. Their calls for civility are actually demands for servility. ..."
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 14, 2019, 09:14:27 am
"...As their 9/11 chicanery makes clear, North Carolina Republicans are some of the worst bad-faith actors in the nation. The Republican-led state legislature led an unprecedented effort to strip Cooper of his powers before he even took office, after an election in which the GOP lost its supermajority in the House and Senate. That was a particularly anti-democratic move, but it is hardly unique to the Tar Heel State.

It’s a replica of efforts by Republicans in Wisconsin in the aftermath of former Gov. Scott Walker’s 2018 defeat, when they attempted to remove Gov.-elect Tony Evers' power to approve major actions by the attorney general and hand that authority instead to Republican lawmakers. Republicans in Michigan also suddenly wanted to limit the incoming governor's power after Democrats swept every statewide office in last year’s midterms.

In Florida, when voters overwhelmingly voted to restore voting rights to 1.4 million former convicted felons, Republican lawmakers circumvented the will of the people with a bill that effectively blocked most of them all over again.

And when Republicans didn’t change the rules in response to recent Democratic electoral victories, they ran away and brought the government to a standstill. Republican senators in Oregon fled the state to prevent Democrats from voting on an expansive cap-and-trade bill to limit greenhouse gas emissions earlier this year.

Throughout the country — such as in Tennessee, which has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the country — Republicans have tried to block electoral change by imposing egregious restrictions on voter registration drives.

David Frum told us years ago that if conservatives can’t win at the ballot box, they won’t abandon conservatism — they will abandon democracy. Their calls for civility are actually demands for servility. ..."

You keep throwing the word democracy out there. We are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. We were founded on a federalist system.

The problem with your kind of democracy. The tyranny of the majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

Sometimes I feel the left is purposely trying to collapse a great country.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Mark J on September 15, 2019, 01:02:28 am
You keep throwing the word democracy out there. We are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. We were founded on a federalist system.

The problem with your kind of democracy. The tyranny of the majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

Sometimes I feel the left is purposely trying to collapse a great country.

That was the best you could do for a reply?  Would have been better for you if you had said nothing.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Teaman on September 15, 2019, 09:38:08 am
That was the best you could do for a reply?  Would have been better for you if you had said nothing.

Your brand of democracy evolves into servility of a dependent public. The needs of the state override the needs of an independent individual. That quote of yours is erroneous.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 12:58:33 pm
"...As their 9/11 chicanery makes clear, North Carolina Republicans are some of the worst bad-faith actors in the nation. The Republican-led state legislature led an unprecedented effort to strip Cooper of his powers before he even took office, after an election in which the GOP lost its supermajority in the House and Senate. That was a particularly anti-democratic move, but it is hardly unique to the Tar Heel State.

It’s a replica of efforts by Republicans in Wisconsin in the aftermath of former Gov. Scott Walker’s 2018 defeat, when they attempted to remove Gov.-elect Tony Evers' power to approve major actions by the attorney general and hand that authority instead to Republican lawmakers. Republicans in Michigan also suddenly wanted to limit the incoming governor's power after Democrats swept every statewide office in last year’s midterms.

In Florida, when voters overwhelmingly voted to restore voting rights to 1.4 million former convicted felons, Republican lawmakers circumvented the will of the people with a bill that effectively blocked most of them all over again.

And when Republicans didn’t change the rules in response to recent Democratic electoral victories, they ran away and brought the government to a standstill. Republican senators in Oregon fled the state to prevent Democrats from voting on an expansive cap-and-trade bill to limit greenhouse gas emissions earlier this year.

Throughout the country — such as in Tennessee, which has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in the country — Republicans have tried to block electoral change by imposing egregious restrictions on voter registration drives.

David Frum told us years ago that if conservatives can’t win at the ballot box, they won’t abandon conservatism — they will abandon democracy. Their calls for civility are actually demands for servility. ..."

The liberal plan to win elections is to flood America with people from dumpy countries and hope they elect awful leaders like they do back home.  I've heard so many liberals cheer that white people will be a minority so America can be controlled by the same people who control Latin America, Africa, and the Muslim world, with similar results. They aren't racist, tho ... just ask them. 

 America's future will be South Africa 2.0.  The ones who will suffer the most won't be white people either, just like the ones who suffer the most in South Africa today and Brazil, which is incredibly diverse, aren't white people. 

There isn't much of a difference between AOC's views and Hugo Chavez's, which worked out so well for Venezuela.  Our only saving grace might be the 2nd amendment.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 01:04:12 pm
The liberal plan to win elections is to flood America with people from dumpy countries and hope they elect awful leaders like they do back home.  I've heard so many liberals cheer that white people will be a minority so America can be controlled by the same people who control Latin America, Africa, and the Muslim world, with similar results. They aren't racist, tho ... just ask them. 

 America's future will be South Africa 2.0.  The ones who will suffer the most won't be white people either, just like the ones who suffer the most in South Africa today and Brazil, which is incredibly diverse, aren't white people. 

There isn't much of a difference between AOC's views and Hugo Chavez's, which worked out so well for Venezuela.  Our only saving grace might be the 2nd amendment.

Not only their home countries but cities like Detroit that are run by non-white people and communities where white folks don't live, like the south side of Chicago, are just so nice and wonderful and vibrant, with shop keepers that sit behind bullet proof glass, it really makes no sense to think when that's the norm that America will be stronger.

Try living in the real world and observing it for what it is, even if you don't like what it is, for once.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 01:09:08 pm
Not only their home countries but cities like Detroit that are run by non-white people and communities where white folks don't live, like the south side of Chicago, are just so nice and wonderful and vibrant, with shop keepers that sit behind bullet proof glass, it really makes no sense to think when that's the norm that America will be stronger.

Try living in the real world and observing it for what it is, even if you don't like what it is, for once.

Democrats will win lots of elections, but much like the California and many urban areas where democrats control all the power, it doesn't improve the lives of minorities.  All of Africa and Latin America are run by the same groups who are minorities in America.  They even have elections in a lot of these nations and have for a long time.  Guess what it doesn't improve their lives.  They live in slums and squalor.

So there is actual no causal proof that cities or nations run by minorities benefits minorities or make their lives better than when they are not in control.  In fact the opposite is the case.  That's why they all want to come to nation's founded by Europeans. 
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 01:17:32 pm
You can say I'm racist or whatever, but racism involves animosity just cause of a physical trait, like race or skin color.  When you point out the results a particular group produces, that's results and behavior based and that's not racism. There are 33 Latin America countries and not 1 is a first world nation.  The other two countries founded by Europeans in this hemisphere are, and Canada is mostly a frozen wasteland.  Now if Latin Americans had a perfect rate of making 1st world nations in this hemisphere as Europeans have and for some reason I said they elect bad leaders and make not so nice countries and don't govern counties well, then it suggests I'm racist.  Speaking the truth is just that and not racism.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 01:36:04 pm
This notion that everybody is equal, is a complete lie.
 If we were all equal the NBA would be 13 percent black. If you point that out, no one accuses you of racism.

If we were all equal, Latinos wouldn't be 0 for 33 at making one 1st world nation in the same hemisphere Europeans are 2 for 2.  If you say that you are racist. 

Sorry we are all equal is not mathematically possible.  I have real world mathematically conclusive observations that prove what I say is true, all liberals have is wishful thinking and excuses.
Title: Re: A New Low’: NC Republicans Override Governor’s Veto While Dems Attended 9/11 Ceremony
Post by: Mark J on September 15, 2019, 03:05:37 pm
Your brand of democracy evolves into servility of a dependent public. The needs of the state override the needs of an independent individual. That quote of yours is erroneous.

More gibbering nonsense.