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Title: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Mark J on September 06, 2019, 08:21:00 am
"...Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses as Trump challengers cry foul
The moves, which critics called undemocratic, are the latest illustration of the president's total takeover of the GOP apparatus.

By ALEX ISENSTADT 09/06/2019 05:00 AM EDT
Four states are poised to cancel their 2020 GOP presidential primaries and caucuses, a move that would cut off oxygen to Donald Trump’s long-shot primary challengers.

Republican parties in South Carolina, Nevada, Arizona and Kansas are expected to finalize the cancellations in meetings this weekend, according to three GOP officials who are familiar with the plans...."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel-primaries-trump-challengers-1483126?cid=apn
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Weepy on September 10, 2019, 04:41:05 pm
"...Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses as Trump challengers cry foul
The moves, which critics called undemocratic, are the latest illustration of the president's total takeover of the GOP apparatus.

By ALEX ISENSTADT 09/06/2019 05:00 AM EDT
Four states are poised to cancel their 2020 GOP presidential primaries and caucuses, a move that would cut off oxygen to Donald Trump’s long-shot primary challengers.

Republican parties in South Carolina, Nevada, Arizona and Kansas are expected to finalize the cancellations in meetings this weekend, according to three GOP officials who are familiar with the plans...."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel-primaries-trump-challengers-1483126?cid=apn

Not that any of those guys got a shot but Weld and Sanford both scare him, I think "Gentleman" Joe Walsh is trying to make a comeback using a different approach, go after Trump which will not go over too well with the teabaggers he relied on to be a one term congressman. Walsh wants camera time for himself...
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 10, 2019, 05:32:45 pm
Not that any of those guys got a shot but Weld and Sanford both scare him, I think "Gentleman" Joe Walsh is trying to make a comeback using a different approach, go after Trump which will not go over too well with the teabaggers he relied on to be a one term congressman. Walsh wants camera time for himself...

"Teabaggers" didn't have much to do with Walsh's election. Obamacare did.

After that. The congressional districts were gerrymandered by a Democrat state government. Which is what usually happens.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Weepy on September 10, 2019, 05:57:19 pm
"Teabaggers" didn't have much to do with Walsh's election. Obamacare did.

After that. The congressional districts were gerrymandered by a Democrat state government. Which is what usually happens.

I beg to differ, your types from that disrtict that lets others speak for them (just like you do here) like  Fox teleprompter reading mannequins as well as RxUSH etc and went overboard into the teabagging that they put in a guy that was not reliable with many character flaws that were even exposed before election but those teabags were waved with full steam by then... Those with severe  anger issues do come off as buffoonish and are featured on late night comedy, Walsh was that type. Teabaggers do not screen who they are voting for, they let others do it and all they do is ditto that..
You remind me of Earl on Prozac..... Neither of you come up with your own material, you just puppet it on here...
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 10, 2019, 10:40:50 pm
I beg to differ, your types from that disrtict that lets others speak for them (just like you do here) like  Fox teleprompter reading mannequins as well as RxUSH etc and went overboard into the teabagging that they put in a guy that was not reliable with many character flaws that were even exposed before election but those teabags were waved with full steam by then... Those with severe  anger issues do come off as buffoonish and are featured on late night comedy, Walsh was that type. Teabaggers do not screen who they are voting for, they let others do it and all they do is ditto that..
You remind me of Earl on Prozac..... Neither of you come up with your own material, you just puppet it on here...

Wow! You must watch Fox quite a bit. Tell me more.

I let others speak for me? Who?

Again, Illinois was seen as a lost cause. It's a very blue state. A couple of conservative PACs donated to Walsh, but not a lot. There was an anti-Obamacare rebellion going on at the time and that's how Walsh got elected. Your moralistic fair play party gerrymandered the congressional district after his election.

9 things to know about Joe Walsh.

https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/elections/presidential-profiles-2020/joe-walsh-president-republican/

And, then there is the Appalachian Trail to Argentina Sanford. lol  No one is afraid of them.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Realtime on September 11, 2019, 05:48:04 pm
Wow! You must watch Fox quite a bit. Tell me more.

I let others speak for me? Who?

Again, Illinois was seen as a lost cause. It's a very blue state. A couple of conservative PACs donated to Walsh, but not a lot. There was an anti-Obamacare rebellion going on at the time and that's how Walsh got elected. Your moralistic fair play party gerrymandered the congressional district after his election.

9 things to know about Joe Walsh.

https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/elections/presidential-profiles-2020/joe-walsh-president-republican/

And, then there is the Appalachian Trail to Argentina Sanford. lol  No one is afraid of them.
And then there was Spermy Daniels__the **** **** star who Trump rode to bareback mountain.

Do you reckon he kissed her?
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Weepy on September 11, 2019, 07:20:09 pm
And then there was Spermy Daniels__the **** **** star who Trump rode to bareback mountain.

Do you reckon he kissed her?
Lol...


That was at the time Melania was pregnent with "her kid", as Trump called his son at today's press conference...
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 11, 2019, 10:02:04 pm
Lol...


That was at the time Melania was pregnent with "her kid", as Trump called his son at today's press conference...

I should have known you would take the word of a **** star.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 09:37:22 am
And then there was Spermy Daniels__the **** **** star who Trump rode to bareback mountain.

Do you reckon he kissed her?

Spermy Daniels loses her court case, her lawyer is charged with embezzlement and extortion, and you're still running with that one. 
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Realtime on September 12, 2019, 10:35:41 am
Spermy Daniels loses her court case, her lawyer is charged with embezzlement and extortion, and you're still running with that one.
Trump hit it, they met up on a couple of other occasions, there is testimony from Cohen and AMI along with copies of signed checks__only total fool would believe otherwise. He also had a lengthy affair with Karen McDougal  while married to Melania and there is plenty of proof in that case as well.

You're starting to remind me of Flacktard
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 12, 2019, 11:23:19 am
Trump hit it, they met up on a couple of other occasions, there is testimony from Cohen and AMI along with copies of signed checks__only total fool would believe otherwise. He also had a lengthy affair with Karen McDougal  while married to Melania and there is plenty of proof in that case as well.

You're starting to remind me of Flacktard

How do you know that? Because they said so? What do the checks mean? Extortion maybe?

The word of a lawyer who is in jail for crimes not associated with Trump and another lawyer charged with embezzlement and extortion have credibility with you?
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Realtime on September 13, 2019, 07:45:31 am
How do you know that? Because they said so? What do the checks mean? Extortion maybe?

The word of a lawyer who is in jail for crimes not associated with Trump and another lawyer charged with embezzlement and extortion have credibility with you?
There are several attorneys involved, AMI's attorneys. Elliot Broidy's attorneys, Spermy Daniels original and present attorney and there are even audio tape recordings of Trump and Cohen discussing payment methods.

Thing is is that Trump had made a previous settlement pledge to Daniels and then in typical Trump fashion reneged, enter Avenatti who brought the national media along.

But feel free to carry on with the Hannity line that suits the low info crowd.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 13, 2019, 08:24:38 am
There are several attorneys involved, AMI's attorneys. Elliot Broidy's attorneys, Spermy Daniels original and present attorney and there are even audio tape recordings of Trump and Cohen discussing payment methods.

Thing is is that Trump had made a previous settlement pledge to Daniels and then in typical Trump fashion reneged, enter Avenatti who brought the national media along.

But feel free to carry on with the Hannity line that suits the low info crowd.

If you're focusing on payments, there's nothing illegal about it unless they're made due to extortion. Congress used to do it with your money. With all of the other efforts to unseat an elected president, it wouldn't surprise me these matters weren't also fabricated.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Mark J on September 13, 2019, 11:06:17 am
If you're focusing on payments, there's nothing illegal about it unless they're made due to extortion. Congress used to do it with your money. With all of the other efforts to unseat an elected president, it wouldn't surprise me these matters weren't also fabricated.

OK,, so for you anything goes as long as it is "not illegal"?  Really? That is your highest standard?  Yes, of course it is.

The one good thing that trump has done in his whole life is expose the lie of decades of republicans claims of having the moral high ground. --And being concerned about the national debt, and opposing racism, dictators, supporting the COTUS, in short every damn thing the right been claiming. It has all been lies. 
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 13, 2019, 01:03:49 pm
OK,, so for you anything goes as long as it is "not illegal"?  Really? That is your highest standard?  Yes, of course it is.

The one good thing that trump has done in his whole life is expose the lie of decades of republicans claims of having the moral high ground. --And being concerned about the national debt, and opposing racism, dictators, supporting the COTUS, in short every damn thing the right been claiming. It has all been lies.

Apparently that is congress's standard. The only difference is they did it with your money. I was speaking of the hush money. What was actually done or not done is speculation. My standard is you make an allegation you prove it. That is implied in the 5th amendment. That's a COTUS support. You have the man guilty by gossip. That is not COTUS support.

When did republicans claim to have the moral high ground? There are all kinds of republicans. Conservatives, neoconservatives, the religious right?

Who doesn't oppose racism? You would have to be more specific about supporting COTUS. Right now there are free speech zones in colleges, talk about gun confiscation, and a few more things. One can attempt to ruin a supreme court nominee without any evidence.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Realtime on September 13, 2019, 02:44:57 pm
Apparently that is congress's standard. The only difference is they did it with your money. I was speaking of the hush money. What was actually done or not done is speculation. My standard is you make an allegation you prove it. That is implied in the 5th amendment. That's a COTUS support. You have the man guilty by gossip. That is not COTUS support.

When did republicans claim to have the moral high ground? There are all kinds of republicans. Conservatives, neoconservatives, the religious right?

Who doesn't oppose racism? You would have to be more specific about supporting COTUS. Right now there are free speech zones in colleges, talk about gun confiscation, and a few more things. One can attempt to ruin a supreme court nominee without any evidence.
Yeah, prove it. Trump hung his political hat on Obama being an illegal and a Muslim and therefore unfit to serve as POTUS. That crap went on for years without an ounce of proof in spite of that both Trump and Joe Arpaio dispatched teams of investigators to Hawaii in search of "proof."

Well guess what?  No proof yet millions of gullible reality show loving Americans, like you, continue to believe that nonsense.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 13, 2019, 03:55:58 pm
Yeah, prove it. Trump hung his political hat on Obama being an illegal and a Muslim and therefore unfit to serve as POTUS. That crap went on for years without an ounce of proof in spite of that both Trump and Joe Arpaio dispatched teams of investigators to Hawaii in search of "proof."

Well guess what?  No proof yet millions of gullible reality show loving Americans, like you, continue to believe that nonsense.
Yeah, prove it. Trump hung his political hat on Obama being an illegal and a Muslim and therefore unfit to serve as POTUS. That crap went on for years without an ounce of proof in spite of that both Trump and Joe Arpaio dispatched teams of investigators to Hawaii in search of "proof."

Well guess what?  No proof yet millions of gullible reality show loving Americans, like you, continue to believe that nonsense.

That was all very stupid in my opinion also. One doesn't have to be born in the US to be a natural-born citizen. My sister was born in Germany in a German hospital. What happens if you're born on a ship in international waters? Natural born is someone who didn't go through the naturalization process to become a citizen.  I agree with you on that one.

Also, even if ing born in the US did matter, I believe the mother's presence at birth is required. There is no information, visa or otherwise, Obama's mother was ever in Africa.

Like me? Is that group think again?

Yes, Purplelady, I know being born in the US also makes you a citizen. But, you don't have to be.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Mark J on September 13, 2019, 05:39:32 pm
Apparently that is congress's standard. The only difference is they did it with your money. I was speaking of the hush money. What was actually done or not done is speculation. My standard is you make an allegation you prove it. That is implied in the 5th amendment. That's a COTUS support. You have the man guilty by gossip. That is not COTUS support.

When did republicans claim to have the moral high ground? There are all kinds of republicans. Conservatives, neoconservatives, the religious right?

Who doesn't oppose racism? You would have to be more specific about supporting COTUS. Right now there are free speech zones in colleges, talk about gun confiscation, and a few more things. One can attempt to ruin a supreme court nominee without any evidence.

So you would support a known baby raper as long as they had not been convicted?  You would maybe hire one to babysit your kids/grandkids?

When did republicans claim to have the moral high ground?  Have you been asleep for the last 30-40 years?

Who doesn't oppose racism? Apparently every republican voter.

I really think you righties have some sort of mental disorder, you folks just don't seem to live in the real world and seem to be able to stare down a tree and swear it is a rock. I don;t think you are all naturally evil but brainwashing works it seems.
 
In my personal life I watch you folks like I would watch a junkie near my wallet, I can no longer trust a rightie for anything but to support the wrong thing and I don't think we have seen how low you will go yet.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Mark J on September 13, 2019, 05:55:31 pm
"...A change is coming in 2020. Gerrymandered maps are being struck down by courts across the country, and the 2018 midterm elections point to massive turnout in the next election. Republicans, clearly running scared, are preparing for the course correction by breaking, bending and reshaping the rules in an obvious attempt to make a mockery of the democratic process.

From Oregon to North Carolina, GOP lawmakers have used every dirty trick they can to seize power and undermine the power Democrats even after they win elections. They have taken Grover Norquist’s goal — to turn the tone in state capitals toward bitterness and partisanship — to heart in a major way.

“Our goal is to inflict pain. It is not enough to win. It has to be a painful, devastating defeat. Like when the king would take his opponent's head and spike it on a pole for everyone to see,” Norquist infamously said in the National Review. Except for the shock election of Donald Trump to the presidency, however, Republicans haven’t had the best record of winning of late. Based on their behavior while losing, it seems that the revised Republican goal goes beyond pain to utter destruction.

Take for instance the extreme and ridiculous proposal by a Texas Republican state lawmaker to abolish the state capital of Austin. Apparently upset that the progressive city approved $150,000 in grants to organizations like Planned Parenthood, GOP state Rep. Briscoe Cain called for direct retaliation against the city of more than 950,000 people, saying the Republican-controlled state legislature should get “supreme authority over mayor and council.” ..."
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 14, 2019, 09:23:51 am
So you would support a known baby raper as long as they had not been convicted?  You would maybe hire one to babysit your kids/grandkids?

When did republicans claim to have the moral high ground?  Have you been asleep for the last 30-40 years?

Who doesn't oppose racism? Apparently every republican voter.

I really think you righties have some sort of mental disorder, you folks just don't seem to live in the real world and seem to be able to stare down a tree and swear it is a rock. I don;t think you are all naturally evil but brainwashing works it seems.
 
In my personal life I watch you folks like I would watch a junkie near my wallet, I can no longer trust a rightie for anything but to support the wrong thing and I don't think we have seen how low you will go yet.

Support isn't a word I would use. You certainly can't deny him his rights because of a non-conviction.

Republican racist voters? How do you explain Tim Scott, Allen West, J C Watts, and others?

Too funny, The brainwashed calling another brainwashed.

Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Mark J on September 15, 2019, 12:59:05 am
Support isn't a word I would use. You certainly can't deny him his rights because of a non-conviction.

Republican racist voters? How do you explain Tim Scott, Allen West, J C Watts, and others?

Too funny, The brainwashed calling another brainwashed.

Other than a mental disorder, I have no explanation for those who would not only vote against their interests but would also actively work against them.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 15, 2019, 09:21:46 am
Other than a mental disorder, I have no explanation for those who would not only vote against their interests but would also actively work against them.

What are those interests you speak of?

"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism."       Barry Goldwater
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Mark J on September 15, 2019, 03:01:55 pm
What are those interests you speak of?

"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism."       Barry Goldwater

You can't even hazard a guess as to why a "person of color" supporting the preferred party of "white" racists might be working against their our interests?
Really? 
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Weepy on September 15, 2019, 03:11:00 pm
Support isn't a word I would use. You certainly can't deny him his rights because of a non-conviction.

Republican racist voters? How do you explain Tim Scott, Allen West, J C Watts, and others?

Too funny, The brainwashed calling another brainwashed.

Those guys were voted in by white people, barely any support by blacks if any. JC Watts was a star football player for the Sooners in mostly white state he retired after fallout of the GWB years. Allen West stepped on a land mine or something when in military, he is insane, voted by 99% white people. Scott ran against a black woman in his last election, before that he was appointed senator after his predecessor stepped down..

does that explain enough for you? Did not think so but it is true...
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 03:45:17 pm
"...A change is coming in 2020. Gerrymandered maps are being struck down by courts across the country, and the 2018 midterm elections point to massive turnout in the next election. Republicans, clearly running scared, are preparing for the course correction by breaking, bending and reshaping the rules in an obvious attempt to make a mockery of the democratic process.

From Oregon to North Carolina, GOP lawmakers have used every dirty trick they can to seize power and undermine the power Democrats even after they win elections. They have taken Grover Norquist’s goal — to turn the tone in state capitals toward bitterness and partisanship — to heart in a major way.

“Our goal is to inflict pain. It is not enough to win. It has to be a painful, devastating defeat. Like when the king would take his opponent's head and spike it on a pole for everyone to see,” Norquist infamously said in the National Review. Except for the shock election of Donald Trump to the presidency, however, Republicans haven’t had the best record of winning of late. Based on their behavior while losing, it seems that the revised Republican goal goes beyond pain to utter destruction.

Take for instance the extreme and ridiculous proposal by a Texas Republican state lawmaker to abolish the state capital of Austin. Apparently upset that the progressive city approved $150,000 in grants to organizations like Planned Parenthood, GOP state Rep. Briscoe Cain called for direct retaliation against the city of more than 950,000 people, saying the Republican-controlled state legislature should get “supreme authority over mayor and council.” ..."

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/1/18139787/rome-decline-america-edward-watts-mortal-republic

This guy actually agrees with you on a number of fronts.

He's partially right, but he over looks the fact that a lot of the inequality is due to immigration policy and demographic changes, as this article discusses.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/importing-poverty-immigration-and-poverty-the-united-states-book-charts

"Prior to 1960, immigrants to the U.S. had education levels that were similar to those of the non-immigrant workforce and earned wages that were, on average, higher than those of non-immigrant workers. Since the mid-1960s, however, the education levels of new immigrants have plunged relative to non-immigrants; consequently, the average wages of immigrants are now well below those of the non-immigrant population. Recent immigrants increasingly occupy the low end of the U.S. socio-economic spectrum."

The mass import poverty to this country pretty has pretty much erased any progress welfare programs would provide at decreasing poverty.  Democrats say we need to do more to combat poverty, while they intentionally increase it at the same time.  In doing so they shift demographics to favor people who will be more likely to vote for more programs to help impoverished people. 

You expect conservatives just to sit idly by and let it happen?  Eventually more us are gonna realize the rules of the game democrats play are stacked against and we will seek out alternative means, even if it means scraping the current system.  Democrats can't win on ideas.  They can only win by importing more and more poverty and promising them more free stuff in exchange for votes.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 03:56:49 pm
Even worse democrats tell these people that they are impoverished because of the system and white majority.  That's not true.  People are IMO writhed because they lack the skills and education to do jobs that pay well.  If you are a minority and you are a Doctor,  white people and they system can't keep you down.  If you are a minority and you graduate with good grades in any field with jobs that pay well, the system and white people cant keep you down.

If you are white and you lack skills and education to do jobs that pay well, the system and white people cant make you prosper.  White people are subject to the exact same rules I speak of above.  Most people white or not are not born into a trust fund and don't have a daddy or mommy who can hire them and pay them a boat load of money if they don't acquire skills and an education and even if they do have skills and an education.

The common denominator between those who do well and those who do not, in the vast majority of circumstances, is skill level and education. It's not the systems fault if you don't do well in America.  It's your skill level and education that are at fault.  The same rule applies to white people.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 04:04:49 pm
You can't even hazard a guess as to why a "person of color" supporting the preferred party of "white" racists might be working against their our interests?
Really?

What has Voting for the other party gotten black people in Detroit, Flint, and the south side of Chicago and many others places?  What has voting for black people gotten black people on the continent of Africa?  What has voting for Latinos in Latin America, gotten Latinos?

Real world observations do not prove that black people are better off when they vote for black people or the party that claims to represent them.  On the contrary...
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 15, 2019, 04:12:28 pm
Real world observations prove that black people were much better off when black people weren't running Detroit and the party that claims to care so much about black people weren't running Detroit.  The differences are so stark.  Can you show me any other city where you can claim the inverse is true?  Where a city went from a dump to a pristine jewel of a city when power was turned over to black people and the party that claims to represent them.

You mistake republicans as the party of white people because their policies are intended to create more opportunities for all who are willing to seize them.  Democrats are the party of we'll give you free stuff.  There is not enough free stuff to go around for that to bring anyone prosperity.  For most people the only way to become prosperous is to seize opportunities that are available.  Therefore more opportunities for people will increase overall prosperity whereas handouts will just take from those who have seized it and give to those who haven't and still won't make those who receive the handouts prosperous.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 15, 2019, 10:30:28 pm
Those guys were voted in by white people, barely any support by blacks if any. JC Watts was a star football player for the Sooners in mostly white state he retired after fallout of the GWB years. Allen West stepped on a land mine or something when in military, he is insane, voted by 99% white people. Scott ran against a black woman in his last election, before that he was appointed senator after his predecessor stepped down..

does that explain enough for you? Did not think so but it is true...

Voted in by white people was the point, Weepy. Are you a democrat by any chance?
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 15, 2019, 10:31:54 pm
You can't even hazard a guess as to why a "person of color" supporting the preferred party of "white" racists might be working against their our interests?
Really?

What would be their interests?
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Mark J on September 15, 2019, 11:34:15 pm
What would be their interests?

Trolling,  or are you really that slow?
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 16, 2019, 08:54:28 am
Trolling,  or are you really that slow?

Explain them. I didn't think they needed anything different from any other human being.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Weepy on September 16, 2019, 09:03:25 am
Trolling,  or are you really that slow?

Slow, very slow...
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 09:17:05 am
What would be their interests?

Apparently being told they are oppressed victims. 

They also like told that it's white peoples fault they ruin places like Detroit and pretty much half the square area of every large American city, not to mention all of Latin America, all of Africa, all of the Muslim world except tiny oil rich Emirates controlled by monarchies (so the people can't vote and make them awful).  They haven't figured out the pattern and that the common denominator to all these awful places is them living in these places ... it's gotta be the white people who don't even live there that are screwing it up for them.  Meanwhile white people make Western Europe, Canada, America, Australia, New Zealand.  They like to be told that we do and they don't is all our fault and they are just innocent victims who play no role in this.

It's our fault that white nations have figured out how to manufacture satellites, computers, rockets that go into space, airplanes, cell phones, many other things too and make medical advances, and constantly innovate and minorities in their native lands can pretty much only extract natural resources from the earth and grow food and breed uncontrollably and supply a cheap labor force for western nations, cause they don't know how to make anything more sophisticated that anyone would actually want to buy.  Seriously, what value added goods dod Latin America, Africa, or the Muslim world make and develop that people want to buy around the world?  There is nothing.  I can't think of anything.  Can anyone? 

How are they supposed to be prosperous when they can only grow food and dig up natural resources so advanced nations can buy them and make them into more sophisticated products that they can sell and profit from?  This is why they are poor.  This isn't white people's fiault.  It's not our fault we advanced and they didn't.

Their only hope for prosperity in their native lands is if they sit on a bunch of oil or diamonds and even that can't save them cause they lack the society and culture to use such good fortune to become technologically advanced.

They basically still are engaged in the old economy that the world was based on before the industrial revolution.  Their decline began even before that once Europeans figured out to sail around the world for trade.  Places like the Middle East used to make a fortune just by taxing trade routes that had to pass through their lands.  The world changed and they didn't. 
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 09:32:13 am
It's also their fault that we advanced.  There was a huge incentive for Europeans to figure out a way to bypass these areas for world trade, cause it cut out a lot of middlemen.  That's what motivated Europeans to set sail and explore the world.  Profit and cost reduction. Most of the world never adapted to this disruption to the old way.  The end of the golden age of Islam coincides with the start of the Renaissance.

They rest of the world was already behind the 8 ball, then. Then the industrial revolution happened and they fell even further behind.  Some Asian counties have adapted, like Japan, South Korea, and China is developing too, but they did so by becoming technologically advanced, like the West and developing and making value added goods that they can profit from much more so than just selling raw natural resource.

Developed nations need to stop blaming ourselves for these people being backward and flooding our countries with them isn't gonna fix the problem.  Diversity is the reason why half the square area of every large American city is not very nice.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 09:43:45 am
Ancient Egypt was a great nation, because it could make a lot of food.  At one point in time to be a world power that's all you needed was a lot of food and a bunch of people who could carry pointy sticks and shields and invade and conquer other nations.  Much of the world has not moved on from this mentality.  Much of the poorer countries are only good at making more people who have no opportunities because these areas don't make any sophisticated goods anyone wants to buy and they don't innovate and create new products and entire new industries.  Look at how much wealth the invention of the personal computer and silicon wafer and semiconductors and smart phones has brought America.  There are entire industries built around these innovations.  Mexico exports corona beer and tequila and Avocados drugs and for a long time poverty..  What technologically advanced goods do they make.  Even cars have been around for 120 years and if they tried to make them they would suck and probably cost too much for the value you get.

That's why these places are poor.  It's not the CIA.  It's not colonialism.  It's their culture and way of life.  They are not innovative cultures.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 09:54:42 am
all of the Muslim world except tiny oil rich Emirates controlled by monarchies (so the people can't vote and make them awful). 

When you don't have a culture of innovation and one that doesn't value and stress education and innovation, the sad truth is election based forms of government tend to not work so well because there are too many dopey people voting and you get what you vote for.  That's why democrats like to bus in highly uneducated people from highly dysfunctional communities to vote. 
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 10:37:26 am
When you don't have a culture of innovation and one that doesn't value and stress education and innovation, the sad truth is election based forms of government tend to not work so well because there are too many dopey people voting and you get what you vote for.  That's why democrats like to bus in highly uneducated people from highly dysfunctional communities to vote.

A very similar phenomena causes minorities to lag behind in america.  What percentage of blacks and Latinos have stem degrees?  What percentage work as innovators?  What percentage start businesses?  What percentage become drs and lawyers and many other white collar professionals?  What percentage even go to college or graduate high school.  Even when they do these things what are their class rankings, which affect what opportunities one has right out of college.  Even with affirmative action such things are not remedied.   I could go on and on.  Compare these percentages to white people and Asians.  Across the board they are  much lower for blacks and Hispanics.

You just need ^^^ this and you don't need racism to explain all of the inequality in this country. Those things I mention above alone with cause serious inequality 100 percent of the time regardless of the degree of racism in a society. 

It's not just a rule that applies to America.  Take any country on the planet and have one group of people who graduate high school, go to college, go to graduate school, pursue advanced degrees and become white collar professionals, work in innovative fields as innovators at a much higher statistical rate than another group of people in that same country and I can guarantee you the group who pursues these endeavors at a much higher frequency will be more wealthy in the aggregate.  Nothing short of the other group that lags behind achieving statistical parity will solve this.  No amount of welfare or income redistribution will solve this because even under communism where everyone makes the same amount regardless of such statistical disparities, someone with a PhD in rocket science is going to more often than not make better choices with their money than someone who dropped out of High school.  While communism would make folks more equally miserable and poor, it still wouldn't solve all inequality and income redistribution to any significant degree causes a whole bunch of cobra effects that make everyone less wealthy in the aggregate.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 11:19:26 am
Not only do the things I say explain inequality along racial lines, but even amongst sub populations of white people In America.  White people in West Virginia are not less wealthy on average than white people in California and other states because of racism.  It's for all the same reasons i mentioned above.  For a long time coal mining was the economic backbone of West Virginia's economy.  You could do alright as a coal miner, but a culture built around people aspiring to be coal miners when they grow up isn't going to be as affluent as one that much more frequently aspires to be college graduates and pursue stem degree, become drs, lawyers, white collar, business owners, innovators, etc.

You know why I hate liberal politicians, cause they lie about all this and their lies keep people poor, and that's the way liberal politicians like them.  The lies are so transparent, I don't understand how so many people cannot see through them.  We could actually craft solutions of people stopped lying.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Teaman on September 16, 2019, 11:39:14 am
Slow, very slow...

Clue me in. You must have some things in mind. The name calling suggests you don't.

Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 11:46:27 am
Now democrats can't use racism to convince white coal miners to vote for them.  That is too transparent for everyone. So instead they tell them it's the evil coal mining company owners who have been causing them misery.  The reality is if you took every penny the coal mining company business owner made coal mining every year and gave it all to the workers, which would cause the cobra effect of no one wanting to own a coal mining company, it would be a pittance for each worker.  There are so many workers that dividing that money equally amongst them wouldn't amount to much for any one worker.

I did the calculation for mcdonalds workers once when the $15 wage thing first started gaining headwind.  People were complaining that the CEO made millions and workers made peanuts. I calculated all the money the top execs at corporate make and figured how much of a raise each worker would get if the top expects worked as slaves for free and it was almost nothing.

Lies, lies, and more lies is all the left has.  When one tactical lie won't work, like it's all due to racism, they switch to another lie that it's all because of greedy corporations.

If they didn't want people to be poor and really wanted to help black people and poor people they would tell them everything I have said on this thread is true and that if they want success to the same degree as others they can't make different and worse choices and expect the same results.

Honestly I don't think a lot of people want to hear that.  They want to hear it's someone else's fault.  Democrats play into and take advantage of this psychology. 
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 11:56:22 am
Clue me in. You must have some things in mind. The name calling suggests you don't.

They don't.  If they did, I have practically wrote a novel that they could pick apart line by line.  They wouldn't be able to pick apart one thing I have mentioned.  So they will stay quiet with me and name call with you.

I guarantee if they explained their political philosophies as detailed as I have, I could quite easily pick it apart and point out numerous clear flaws in logic and reasoning and facts.

I have met very few who are even capable of logically discussing their beliefs using facts logic and reason.  95 percent just name call and make conclusory statements without any support for their conclusions.  The rare instance I have met one that will even attempt an intelligent conversation using facts logic and reason they wind up looking like liberals who try to debate Ben Shapiro on stage.

This is what happens when they try to have intelligent conversations on policy:

https://youtu.be/qSmiZCQP58o

They know this.  So they don't do so.  They shout people down and name call and make conclusory statements.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 12:10:44 pm
They don't.  If they did, I have practically wrote a novel that they could pick apart line by line.  They wouldn't be able to pick apart one thing I have mentioned.  So they will stay quiet with me and name call with you.

I guarantee if they explained their political philosophies as detailed as I have, I could quite easily pick it apart and point out numerous clear flaws in logic and reasoning and facts.

I have met very few who are even capable of logically discussing their beliefs using facts logic and reason.  95 percent just name call and make conclusory statements without any support for their conclusions.  The rare instance I have met one that will even attempt an intelligent conversation using facts logic and reason they wind up looking like liberals who try to debate Ben Shapiro on stage.

This is what happens when they try to have intelligent conversations on policy:

https://youtu.be/qSmiZCQP58o

They know this.  So they don't do so.  They shout people down and name call and make conclusory statements.

The black lady on the left in that video is a civil rights attorney and the cream of the crop of the black community and she looks like a bumbling fool when she even attempts to discuss racism.  That's why democrats don't want to have discussions with conservatives.  Much safer for them to shout people down, name call, use conclusory logic, and only have conversations with those who agree with them than to try to defend their positions and look like a fool.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: Mark J on September 16, 2019, 12:49:27 pm
Slow, very slow...

I am going with trolling on this one.  Hard to believe that tea is that clueless.
 
Amazing how much credibility internet righties are willing to sacrifice to carry the water of republican elites who would not **** on them if they were on fire.
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 02:24:43 pm
I am going with trolling on this one.  Hard to believe that tea is that clueless.
 
Amazing how much credibility internet righties are willing to sacrifice to carry the water of republican elites who would not **** on them if they were on fire.

You just did the liberal trifecta.

First, you only respond to a person who agrees with you, cause that why you don't have to look like foolish attempting to articulate why the policies you advocate for are good.

Second, in doing so you insult Teaman and call him a troll just cause he asked you to explain yourself.

Third, you finish your post with a conclusory statement about what internet righties will sacrifice and what republican elites don't care about, without supporting such conclusions with any facts or reasoning whatsoever.

It's so predictable.  I love it.  You could be a case study in the liberal thought process or more accurately the lack of a thought process.  <<< that's my conclusion but notice I support my conclusions with facts and reasoning, unlike you.

Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 02:26:05 pm
You just did the liberal trifecta.

First, you only respond to a person who agrees with you, cause that why you don't have to look like foolish attempting to articulate why the policies you advocate for are good.

Second, in doing so you insult Teaman and call him a troll just cause he asked you to explain yourself.

Third, you finish your post with a conclusory statement about what internet righties will sacrifice and what republican elites don't care about, without supporting such conclusions with any facts or reasoning whatsoever.

It's so predictable.  I love it.  You could be a case study in the liberal thought process or more accurately the lack of a thought process.  <<< that's my conclusion but notice I support my conclusions with facts and reasoning, unlike you.

If you could shout him down over the Internet I bet you would!
Title: Re: Republicans to scrap primaries and caucuses
Post by: NC Yankee on September 16, 2019, 02:31:54 pm
I am going with trolling on this one.  Hard to believe that tea is that clueless.
 
Amazing how much credibility internet righties are willing to sacrifice to carry the water of republican elites who would not **** on them if they were on fire.

Since you will just embarrass yourself if you have to defend your policie I made you and weepy a thread where you can agree with each other, tell each other how smart you are, and tell each other how dumb conservatives are.