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Title: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: joanna50 on August 12, 2019, 05:15:31 am
Just wondering what others think, my personal opinion is he took the cowards way out. After all anyone who diddles kids is not very manly, glad the loser is dead tho
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 12, 2019, 01:33:40 pm
Found this, been looking for a place to post it.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/27/us/florida-center-is-a-crossroads-for-runaways.html

This is an archived article, I didn't get a paywall.  Note date, 1983, which was a time when both  laws and public opinions were very much different than today. As a for instance, in 1983 19 year old's could legally consume alcohol in Florida both beer and mixed drinks. Many of the clubs were lax on checking ID's and younger kids would often be served.

Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: joanna50 on August 12, 2019, 02:18:51 pm
Found this, been looking for a place to post it.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/27/us/florida-center-is-a-crossroads-for-runaways.html

This is an archived article, I didn't get a paywall.  Note date, 1983, which was a time when both  laws and public opinions were very much different than today. As a for instance, in 1983 19 year old's could legally consume alcohol in Florida both beer and mixed drinks. Many of the clubs were lax on checking ID's and younger kids would often be served.
Thank you
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 12, 2019, 03:12:02 pm
Just wondering what others think, my personal opinion is he took the cowards way out. After all anyone who diddles kids is not very manly, glad the loser is dead tho
I agree that he tokk the coward's way out. I am not like some who believe he is still alive. Child molesters and child murders life expectancy in prison is relatively short.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 12, 2019, 04:50:58 pm
I agree that he tokk the coward's way out. I am not like some who believe he is still alive. Child molesters and child murders life expectancy in prison is relatively short.
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably piss a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.

Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 13, 2019, 06:33:59 am
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably **** a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.
Agree
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: joanna50 on August 13, 2019, 11:12:49 am
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably **** a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.
Money could change things, money buys silence he in fact took the fifth in order to not incriminate any of his cronies, do you really think underage girls decided it was a good idea to give themselves to some old white guy just because he was rich
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Weepy on August 13, 2019, 01:04:01 pm
Just wondering what others think, my personal opinion is he took the cowards way out. After all anyone who diddles kids is not very manly, glad the loser is dead tho

No doubt it was suicide as he tried once before after he was incarcerated, it is such a lifestyle change he could not be able to take and was not prepared for such knowing he was involved in criminal activity. He was safe from other average prisoners being high profile as well. My feeling is it was incompetence among the officers that allowed such to happen...

I would have preferred he lived to get to the bottom of what happened...
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Teaman on August 14, 2019, 10:10:35 am
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably **** a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.

Many of us weren't much older than that themselves. I was 19 when I came back. Too young to buy a beer in San Fransisco.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Teaman on August 14, 2019, 10:11:36 am
No doubt it was suicide as he tried once before after he was incarcerated, it is such a lifestyle change he could not be able to take and was not prepared for such knowing he was involved in criminal activity. He was safe from other average prisoners being high profile as well. My feeling is it was incompetence among the officers that allowed such to happen...

I would have preferred he lived to get to the bottom of what happened...

It seems you're right. It's being reported the guards fell asleep.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 14, 2019, 01:47:39 pm
Money could change things, money buys silence he in fact took the fifth in order to not incriminate any of his cronies, do you really think underage girls decided it was a good idea to give themselves to some old white guy just because he was rich
No, not at all. I do think that those relationships began when the young ladies wanted/needed a place to go and a Palm Beach mansion beat the sht out of a trailer out off West Okeechobee.

Kinda like this, those youngsters  had choices which all included be exploited, maybe their dad, or their moms boyfriend, maybe a boyfriend.  To that youngster someone like Jeffery Epstein would be a dream come true.

Question.  Over the years there have probably been at least 100,000 dancers in FLA nude/topless clubs who were 18 years of age. What do "you" think those girls were doing when they were 17 years of age?
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 14, 2019, 04:15:18 pm
Many of us weren't much older than that themselves. I was 19 when I came back. Too young to buy a beer in San Fransisco.
You were 19 yoa when you came back from Vietnam? How old were you when you enlisted? An if you were 17 yoa when you enlisted wtf were you thinking about?
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 14, 2019, 04:36:10 pm
You were 19 yoa when you came back from Vietnam? How old were you when you enlisted? An if you were 17 yoa when you enlisted wtf were you thinking about?
I wondered that myself.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Teaman on August 14, 2019, 05:29:06 pm
You were 19 yoa when you came back from Vietnam? How old were you when you enlisted? An if you were 17 yoa when you enlisted wtf were you thinking about?

Just turned 18 I when enlisted.

Never registered for the draft, remember?
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 14, 2019, 05:50:59 pm
Just turned 18 I when enlisted.

Never registered for the draft, remember?
The draft didn't end until Feb. 1973.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Teaman on August 14, 2019, 05:54:06 pm
The draft didn't end until Feb. 1973.

Exactly. Enlisted instead of registering.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Texas Pete on August 14, 2019, 06:04:53 pm
My Lottery number was 325 when i was 18.

https://www.historynet.com/whats-your-number.htm
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 14, 2019, 06:14:31 pm
My Lottery number was 325 when i was 18.

https://www.historynet.com/whats-your-number.htm
Yep, my Dad couldn't serve as he was flat footed and had a degree of deafness in his hearing. Plus, he probably was too old for that war but WW2, he was too young and Korean , he was newly married with a new baby.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Teaman on August 14, 2019, 06:17:54 pm
My Lottery number was 325 when i was 18.

https://www.historynet.com/whats-your-number.htm

Mine would have been 024 in 1970 according to that chart. lol

I went in in 1966. I would have been 22 if drafted. 

Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: joanna50 on August 14, 2019, 09:49:18 pm
No, not at all. I do think that those relationships began when the young ladies wanted/needed a place to go and a Palm Beach mansion beat the sht out of a trailer out off West Okeechobee.

Kinda like this, those youngsters  had choices which all included be exploited, maybe their dad, or their moms boyfriend, maybe a boyfriend.  To that youngster someone like Jeffery Epstein would be a dream come true.

Question.  Over the years there have probably been at least 100,000 dancers in FLA ****/**** clubs who were 18 years of age. What do "you" think those girls were doing when they were 17 years of age?
He had these young girls recruited, money buys you better than some homeless girl in a trailer,these young girls were lied to and exploited, also they were younger than 17
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 14, 2019, 09:56:42 pm
He took the only way out, he didn't think he did anything wrong yet at the same time knew that he was "goin down" for his money not only couldn't save him this time but that it had become his enemy.

And I'm going to take a guess that those "kiddies" of Jeffery's weren't kiddies at all but rather some sort of tweener hybrids. Kinda like ready willing and able to be exploited by anyone, hey a rich guy, even better.

That'll probably **** a few folks here off.

During the early sixties, my Civics teacher required his classes to read the Sunday paper editorial pages and be prepared to answer questions regarding the commentary, letters to the editor etc. I remain grateful to him to this day because those pages helped me become a bullsht detector, a skill that would make life easier.

Also in that newspaper section was the social page which featured weddings, deaths and anniversaries. Anniversaries became a topic of interest due to the age differences of some the husbands and wives who had become married +/- the turn of the century and then again after WWI and WWII as the soldiers came marching home.

27 year old men marrying 14, 15 year old girls was quite common and to keep it fair there were also more than a few female cradle robbers back then.

So, a 17 going on 30 girl is just not gonna pass for a kiddie in my book. Not then, not now not no how.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Myers

This lady's photos graced the walls of Vietnam's barracks, clubs and were even displayed on sandbags at LZ's and became among the most famous Playboy centerfold photos of all time.

She was 17 when those photos were taken, going on eighteen. That ain't no kiddie and Miss Myers was not a one off, there were  many more like her then and  even more like her now.

I agree alot of teenage girls would luv to have a sugar daddy to help themselves out. Maybe this is the type of girls he was with, if at all ????? 
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 14, 2019, 10:01:11 pm
Yep, my Dad couldn't serve as he was flat footed and had a degree of deafness in his hearing. Plus, he probably was too old for that war but WW2, he was too young and Korean , he was newly married with a new baby.

My dad was an F. I may not be here now if he didnd't get that F. I'm grateful for that.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 15, 2019, 07:03:26 am
I agree alot of teenage girls would luv to have a sugar daddy to help themselves out. Maybe this is the type of girls he was with, if at all ?????
I would say it would appeal to many teenage girl wanting out of her house.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 15, 2019, 09:04:17 am
He had these young girls recruited, money buys you better than some homeless girl in a trailer,these young girls were lied to and exploited, also they were younger than 17
Sorry but that's not true except maybe a couple were younger than 17, perhaps 16 but most of the known victims were 17.

They were all troubled young ladies which probably explains why they weren't attending school.

I've been all over Palm Beach County there are are plenty of trailer parks, Sect 8 apartments and dogpatch neighborhoods.

Not sure where the news folks are getting their info, perhaps the victim's attorneys who have 563 million rea$ons to lie.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 15, 2019, 09:12:55 am
Sorry but that's not true except maybe a couple were younger than 17, perhaps 16 but most of the known victims were 17.

They were all troubled young ladies which probably explains why they weren't attending school.

I've been all over Palm Beach County there are are plenty of trailer parks, Sect 8 apartments and dogpatch neighborhoods.

Not sure where the news folks are getting their info, perhaps the victim's attorneys who have 563 million rea$ons to lie.
I would say that any teenage girl who saw the money he had would rather be with someone like that than live in a trailer,  section 8, or homeless. 
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 15, 2019, 05:12:40 pm
I would say that any teenage girl who saw the money he had would rather be with someone like that than live in a trailer,  section 8, or homeless.
Well, that and also that the media is badly, very badly misinformed  regarding Jeffery Epstein. Or the media (all) is lying or more likely juicing the story for ratings__titillating stories attract more viewers.

Let's start here.  Jeffery Epstein is not a billionaire, never has been and has never even been close. He's worth about half that before the loans and extra trimmings are deducted.

So when the news talking head opens with "Billionaire Jeffery Epstein" it's bullsht and can only get worse.

Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 15, 2019, 05:22:18 pm
Well, that and also that the media is badly, very badly misinformed  regarding Jeffery Epstein. Or the media (all) is lying or more likely juicing the story for ratings__titillating stories attract more viewers.

Let's start here.  Jeffery Epstein is not a billionaire, never has been and has never even been close. He's worth about half that before the loans and extra trimmings are deducted.

So when the news talking head opens with "Billionaire Jeffery Epstein" it's bullsht and can only get worse.
Yep
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 15, 2019, 05:52:19 pm
I would say it would appeal to many teenage girl wanting out of her house.

Yes indeed!
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 15, 2019, 05:53:57 pm
I would say that any teenage girl who saw the money he had would rather be with someone like that than live in a trailer,  section 8, or homeless.

Especially if you had a neighbor on Flakka (the Zombie Drug) !
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 15, 2019, 05:57:11 pm
Well, that and also that the media is badly, very badly misinformed  regarding Jeffery Epstein. Or the media (all) is lying or more likely juicing the story for ratings__titillating stories attract more viewers.

Let's start here.  Jeffery Epstein is not a billionaire, never has been and has never even been close. He's worth about half that before the loans and extra trimmings are deducted.

So when the news talking head opens with "Billionaire Jeffery Epstein" it's bullsht and can only get worse.

His Palm Trees cost 20,000.00 a piece on his Island. Boy I can't even imagine having money like that! I think if I had money like that I would buy land and create Sanctuaries for all the homeless and abused animals.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 16, 2019, 07:30:55 am
His Palm Trees cost 20,000.00 a piece on his Island. Boy I can't even imagine having money like that! I think if I had money like that I would buy land and create Sanctuaries for all the homeless and abused animals.
The first island he purchased, Little St James was an income producing property of rented out for $4,000 per week. The second Island, Greater St James had recently been purchased and was undergoing renovations and new construction much of it unpermitted and in violation. Epstein also had an office on St George. One of Epstein's sources of income was real estate development and speculation.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Weepy on August 16, 2019, 02:57:02 pm
Sorry but that's not true except maybe a couple were younger than 17, perhaps 16 but most of the known victims were 17.

They were all troubled young ladies which probably explains why they weren't attending school.

I've been all over Palm Beach County there are are plenty of trailer parks, Sect 8 apartments and dogpatch neighborhoods.

Not sure where the news folks are getting their info, perhaps the victim's attorneys who have 563 million rea$ons to lie.

That is probably the recruiting area for RxUSH to get young boys to his mansion in Palm Beach as well and keep the Dominican Republic trips to a minimum...
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Mark J on August 18, 2019, 03:15:36 pm
(https://preview.redd.it/l8qc7mc7x3h31.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5a2eb3661c4cd51db5ac0dd12758c6402046423b)
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Mark J on August 18, 2019, 03:17:01 pm
I am gonna have to go tin foil hat on this one. 

Even if he did kill himself I am guessing he had assistance.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Weepy on August 19, 2019, 10:40:19 am
I am gonna have to go tin foil hat on this one. 

Even if he did kill himself I am guessing he had assistance.

Very possible.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: joanna50 on August 20, 2019, 02:36:42 pm
I am gonna have to go tin foil hat on this one. 

Even if he did kill himself I am guessing he had assistance.
I don't think so, according to the autopsy reports but maybe the guards not doing their jobs had a hand in it
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 20, 2019, 11:57:39 pm
I don't condone Epstein's sex trafficking at all, but I think he's one of the better traffickers compared to others. I just hope Epstein's case opens up doors to the real bad ones out there that rape little kids 10 and under, and beat and kill and torture.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Mark J on August 21, 2019, 11:52:24 pm
I don't think so, according to the autopsy reports but maybe the guards not doing their jobs had a hand in it

And perhaps they were well paid to slack, provide means, maybe instruction.

Rich dude with fantastic lawyers offing himself so early in the game just does not smell right.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 22, 2019, 07:17:42 am
Found this, been looking for a place to post it.

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/27/us/florida-center-is-a-crossroads-for-runaways.html

This is an archived article, I didn't get a paywall.  Note date, 1983, which was a time when both  laws and public opinions were very much different than today. As a for instance, in 1983 19 year old's could legally consume alcohol in Florida both beer and mixed drinks. Many of the clubs were lax on checking ID's and younger kids would often be served.
Looking for something else and found this old Miami Herald article about dancers as young as 13 appearing in Florida's nude bars.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1959155.html
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Mark J on August 22, 2019, 03:08:08 pm
(https://external-preview.redd.it/bdf1LhB-YTeont_q9KyEW-kLSRHphfqV1k-hD_vEIZc.jpg?width=640&height=657&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ec846b437b7026504f1147ca162cb00c088da5d2)
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 22, 2019, 05:15:21 pm
I thought I posted this early today, guess it didn't take.

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — The will that Jeffrey Epstein signed just two days before his jailhouse suicide puts more than $577 million in assets into a trust fund that could make it more difficult for his dozens of accusers to collect damages.

Estate lawyers and other experts say prying open the trust and dividing up the financier’s riches is not going to be easy and could take years.

Full story   https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeffrey-epstein-will-trust-victims_n_5d5e9cdfe4b02cc97c898b20

So, it appears that he took steps to protect his fortune prior to offing himself.

Will add that his only survivor, his brother,  is a millionaire in his own right and while not commenting publicly so far appears not to be willing to deal with the craziness that this 1953 Trust presents.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 22, 2019, 06:29:29 pm
I thought I posted this early today, guess it didn't take.

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — The will that Jeffrey Epstein signed just two days before his jailhouse suicide puts more than $577 million in assets into a trust fund that could make it more difficult for his dozens of accusers to collect damages.

Estate lawyers and other experts say prying open the trust and dividing up the financier’s riches is not going to be easy and could take years.

Full story   https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jeffrey-epstein-will-trust-victims_n_5d5e9cdfe4b02cc97c898b20

So, it appears that he took steps to protect his fortune prior to offing himself.



Will add that his only survivor, his brother,  is a millionaire in his own right and while not commenting publicly so far appears not to be willing to deal with the craziness that this 1953 Trust presents.



What I was wondering when I heard this, because he signed his will and all his possessions to his only living aire, his brother....does this mean suicide or murder? Sounds likre it could go either way. But what everyone is wondering, how could all his camera surveilance and guerds let him commit suicide. Plus the autopsy found a broken bone in his neck.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 22, 2019, 06:31:42 pm
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, just trying to get to the truth, just like any murder mystery on t.v. 

Could be suicide, but seems other factors may suggest something else.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Realtime on August 23, 2019, 11:18:14 am


What I was wondering when I heard this, because he signed his will and all his possessions to his only living aire, his brother....does this mean suicide or murder? Sounds likre it could go either way. But what everyone is wondering, how could all his camera surveilance and guerds let him commit suicide. Plus the autopsy found a broken bone in his neck.
But that's not what he did.

Two days prior to his death he signed a new will, recorded in the US Virgin Islands that puts his entire estate int a trust  known as The 1953 Trust. This trust adds layers of legal gamesmanship to those seeking to share in the bootie booty.

For details on the subject simply google  the1953trust
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 23, 2019, 05:15:16 pm
But that's not what he did.

Two days prior to his death he signed a new will, recorded in the US Virgin Islands that puts his entire estate int a trust  known as The 1953 Trust. This trust adds layers of legal gamesmanship to those seeking to share in the bootie booty.

For details on the subject simply google  the1953trust

Thats what I mean, the news said he signed a will 2 day prior to his death and that all possessions go to his only living aire, his brother.  Now I hear money could be tied up for years with his victoms for years.

I think by doing this will thing 2 days prior to his hanging this could mean suicide or maybe not - could go either way, needs more investigation.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 25, 2019, 08:32:29 am
Thats what I mean, the news said he signed a will 2 day prior to his death and that all possessions go to his only living aire, his brother.  Now I hear money could be tied up for years with his victoms for years.

I think by doing this will thing 2 days prior to his hanging this could mean suicide or maybe not - could go either way, needs more investigation.
It will take forever to to go through this mess. His will and estate will have to be probated first and that can take anywhere from 6 months to a year plus creditors will have to be paid if any. By the time, this all gets done, there may be no money for the victims, no matter how much money he supposedly had.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 25, 2019, 02:34:31 pm
It will take forever to to go through this mess. His will and estate will have to be probated first and that can take anywhere from 6 months to a year plus creditors will have to be paid if any. By the time, this all gets done, there may be no money for the victims, no matter how much money he supposedly had.

That very well may be.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 26, 2019, 08:48:54 pm
This Epstein news is growing by the day.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/curious-sociopathy-of-jeffrey-epstein-ex-girlfriends

I found this interesting. He really liked women or teenish girls. And he was a vegetarian, and very clean, and had a high sex drive, but overall a nice guy.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on August 28, 2019, 04:55:58 am
This Epstein news is growing by the day.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/curious-sociopathy-of-jeffrey-epstein-ex-girlfriends

I found this interesting. He really liked women or teenish girls. And he was a vegetarian, and very clean, and had a high sex drive, but overall a nice guy.
A nice guy who liked them young borders on pervert to me.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on August 28, 2019, 10:01:53 pm
https://www.politico.com/news/jeffrey-epstein

Latest EPSTEIN news
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on October 02, 2019, 02:00:14 am
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a29323262/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-fbi-investigation/

Prince Andrew's Ties to Jeffrey Epstein Are Reportedly Being Investigated By the FBI

The Queen's son was friends with Epstein, who was charged with sex trafficking earlier this summer.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Quills on October 02, 2019, 06:32:42 am
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a29323262/prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-fbi-investigation/

Prince Andrew's Ties to Jeffrey Epstein Are Reportedly Being Investigated By the FBI

The Queen's son was friends with Epstein, who was charged with sex trafficking earlier this summer.

Don't forget, Bill Clinton flew 27 times on the Lolita Express & Killery 4 times! INcluding trips to Africa. Remember also the Clinton Foudation made millions distributing a "compromised" HIV drug there. Bill Gates was also involved in this particular scheme!
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on October 02, 2019, 05:33:27 pm
Don't forget, Bill Clinton flew 27 times on the Lolita Express & Killery 4 times! INcluding trips to Africa. Remember also the Clinton Foudation made millions distributing a "compromised" HIV drug there. Bill Gates was also involved in this particular scheme!

i heard about Clinton's flights. But not about the Clinton Fdn. making millions on the HIV drug, It wouldn't surprise me if Bill Gates was involved.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Lyons on May 29, 2021, 10:40:37 pm
Just wondering what others think, my personal opinion is he took the cowards way out. After all anyone who diddles kids is not very manly, glad the loser is dead tho
It was "assisted". Wonder why they are taking so long with Ghislaine.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Something To Consider on June 23, 2022, 11:44:19 am
Don't forget, Bill Clinton flew 27 times on the Lolita Express & Killery 4 times! INcluding trips to Africa. Remember also the Clinton Foudation made millions distributing a "compromised" HIV drug there. Bill Gates was also involved in this particular scheme!

There are rumors about so many other famous and wealthy people going to Jeffrey Epstein's so-called "private island", which is one major reason why so many people believe that he was murdered (to keep the names from coming out). I personally believe that too just because it seems to make so much sense, taking everything about the situation and his case that the public knows into consideration. I believe that some of the sleaziest people in the world are successful, talented, and seemingly wonderful people that we see on television every day. Look at Bill Cosby and Matt Lauer. Two highly respected and very successful men once upon a time. If the truth ever came out about who all went to that island and what they did there, it would probably shock even the most difficult to shock people.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on April 09, 2024, 05:21:58 am
Faked suicide, my gut tells me hes alive somewhere in hiding.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on April 09, 2024, 05:26:45 am
Don't forget, Bill Clinton flew 27 times on the Lolita Express & Killery 4 times! INcluding trips to Africa. Remember also the Clinton Foudation made millions distributing a "compromised" HIV drug there. Bill Gates was also involved in this particular scheme!

Hillary ran a sex trafficking ring for pizza gate at comet pizza, alledgedly.

Oprah too, I think in my gut has a swx trafficking ring too.

Bill Gates - He looks creepy to me, he may like them young.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: anonymous on April 09, 2024, 09:36:05 am
Face it, you're delusional...seek help.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Waco1909 on April 09, 2024, 10:30:49 am
Face it, you're delusional...seek help.
How do you know the poster is delusional?
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: anonymous on April 09, 2024, 11:05:00 am
How do you know the poster is delusional?

I'm being polite and giving 'her' the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Texas Pete on April 09, 2024, 11:55:37 am
Faked suicide, my gut tells me hes alive somewhere in hiding.
I don't care about him.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on April 09, 2024, 05:14:35 pm
Faked suicide, my gut tells me hes alive somewhere in hiding.
Prove it.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on April 09, 2024, 05:15:12 pm
Face it, you're delusional...seek help.
She is always delusional and can never post facts to anything.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on April 09, 2024, 06:16:07 pm
She is always delusional and can never post facts to anything.

i get enough crap at home, dont need it from you.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: purplelady1040 on April 09, 2024, 06:18:15 pm
i get enough crap at home, dont need it from you.
Tough crap, you are going to continue getting it because you an imbecile. Keep crying, baby that you are. If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. Oh that's right, you have never  been in a kitchen. Hahahaha. 
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on April 25, 2024, 10:10:00 pm
Epstein has obviously faked his death. Those guards not on watch, how conveinient. Hes living on an island somewhere. Probably still doing his sex trafficking activities. No doubt about it. He has friends in high places, that are protecting him.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: Jackie on May 04, 2024, 11:13:12 am
Epstein has obviously faked his death. Those guards not on watch, how conveinient. Hes living on an island somewhere. Probably still doing his sex trafficking activities. No doubt about it. He has friends in high places, that are protecting him.

Epstein is creating super humans, right now.
Title: Re: Epstein, Suicide or murder
Post by: visitor on May 10, 2026, 02:54:06 pm
Epstein is still alive doing his dirty deeds on some private Island somewhere.