Post by: anonymous on April 11, 2019, 10:00:53 am
Born: January 19, 1982 (age 37 years), South Bend, IN
Nationality: American
Spouse: Chasten Glezman (m. 2018)
Books: Shortest Way Home: One Mayor's Challenge and a Model for America's Future
Education: Saint Joseph's High School, Harvard College, University of Oxford, Harvard University
Parents: Joseph Buttigieg, Jennifer Anne Montgomery
Get on board the Mayor Pete train!
Post by: Texas Pete on April 11, 2019, 12:02:24 pm
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on April 11, 2019, 12:28:42 pm
Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg is an American politician and former Naval Intelligence Officer who has served as the mayor of the city of South Bend, Indiana since 2012. In January 2019 Buttigieg announced that he was exploring running for nomination as Democratic candidate in the 2020 presidential primary election. WikipediaI’m on board!!
Born: January 19, 1982 (age 37 years), South Bend, IN
Nationality: American
Spouse: Chasten Glezman (m. 2018)
Books: Shortest Way Home: One Mayor's Challenge and a Model for America's Future
Education: Saint Joseph's High School, Harvard College, University of Oxford, Harvard University
Parents: Joseph Buttigieg, Jennifer Anne Montgomery
Get on board the Mayor Pete train!
Post by: joanna50 on April 11, 2019, 01:35:00 pm
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on April 11, 2019, 01:36:35 pm
Could be worse but I don't trust any politicanCan’t say I blame you when most of them lie all the time.
Post by: Weepy on April 12, 2019, 10:36:38 am
Post by: Texas Pete on April 12, 2019, 12:23:22 pm
Post by: Icno on April 12, 2019, 12:39:06 pm
Post by: Weepy on April 12, 2019, 01:27:38 pm
Yes, his numbers are rising. I like the guy. He's certainly got the credentials to make an excellent choice and he's also very likable. He's young enough to be concerned about the future of our great country which makes him appealing. At this point, it's too early to get too interested however, I might appreciate him on the ticket. The only problem is his name. Lord have mercy, can you imagine how many ways that could get butchered?
it is too early, candidates do get a rise in numbers but it may fade later. I seen it too many times..
Post by: Texas Pete on April 12, 2019, 01:46:47 pm
fool you this guy is impressive. He speaks in seven languages: Norwegian, Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Arabic, Dari, and French!
Post by: Weepy on April 12, 2019, 02:25:23 pm
Msnbc is giving him a bunch of coverage and don't let the fact that he's only a mayor
fool you this guy is impressive. He speaks in seven languages: Norwegian, Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Arabic, Dari, and French!
He is sure laying smack down on Mike Pence, who he knows very well. They are not close at all, lol....
Post by: Realtime on April 17, 2019, 02:53:21 pm
Thing about him is is that as POTUS he's just not electable and even in the #2 slot he would be a drag on the top slot.
He would be useful in certain cabinet slots however and certainly has a bright future in politics in any role that involves compassion.
Not sure if this will post__still having problems here.
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on April 18, 2019, 04:36:09 pm
Mayor Pete is smooth, that's for sure.It posted just fine.
Thing about him is is that as POTUS he's just not electable and even in the #2 slot he would be a drag on the top slot.
He would be useful in certain cabinet slots however and certainly has a bright future in politics in any role that involves compassion.
Not sure if this will post__still having problems here.
Thanks for the take. 🙂
Post by: Texas Pete on April 18, 2019, 05:58:47 pm
Mayor Pete is smooth, that's for sure.I looked but saw nothing that would keep your posts from showing.
Thing about him is is that as POTUS he's just not electable and even in the #2 slot he would be a drag on the top slot.
He would be useful in certain cabinet slots however and certainly has a bright future in politics in any role that involves compassion.
Not sure if this will post__still having problems here.
Post by: Princess Hey on April 19, 2019, 07:30:30 am
Post by: Realtime on April 19, 2019, 01:38:15 pm
Msnbc is giving him a bunch of coverage and don't let the fact that he's only a mayorNot so sure it's 7 languages and a couple of them are essentially the same or close.
fool you this guy is impressive. He speaks in seven languages: Norwegian, Spanish, Italian, Maltese, Arabic, Dari, and French!
Fact is that he's a very smart guy who expresses himself in a way that few can.
He's got a problem though and it's one that for the time being can't be overcome. The good news is that Pete is young and has plenty of time to win the hearts and minds of at least a portion of the nations so called religious right an ultra conservatives.
The mission at hand__defeating Trump, retaking the Senate or both will require candidates that are attractive to Dems, Indy's and a decent share of R's. Mayor Pete fails this test.
Meet Jay Inslee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Inslee
Post by: Teaman on May 13, 2019, 08:15:08 pm
Post by: Realtime on May 19, 2019, 09:25:41 am
Post by: Teaman on May 19, 2019, 09:50:57 pm
Hah, and Teaman the Tenther too it looks like__hows that constitution thingy working out for you these days?
Not so good. It's getting trampled. Subpoenas for no reason at all.
How are things going for you?
Post by: Weepy on May 23, 2019, 06:02:54 pm
Post by: Teaman on May 23, 2019, 11:17:02 pm
LMAO. Mayor Pete told the truth about Trump being a draft dodger and Twitz called out his dogs to trash him with homophobic slurs online. That was predictable...
His bone spur medical deferment was temporary. Ultimately, he received a high lottery number, 356 out of 365.
Post by: Weepy on May 23, 2019, 11:47:46 pm
His bone spur medical deferment was temporary. Ultimately, he received a high lottery number, 356 out of 365.
Ah you are a Trump apologist. ::)
Post by: Cygnus-X1 on May 24, 2019, 03:38:20 am
Ah you are a Trump apologist. ::)He really does follow Trump very religiously.
Post by: Teaman on May 24, 2019, 12:38:17 pm
Ah you are a Trump apologist. ::)
Explain what there is to apologize for?
He has a brash demeanor. I'll give you that.
It's more about the injustice and people spreading bovine fertilizer for me.
Post by: Weepy on May 24, 2019, 02:42:40 pm
Explain what there is to apologize for?
He has a brash demeanor. I'll give you that.
It's more about the injustice and people spreading bovine fertilizer for me.
???
Post by: Jimmy on June 11, 2019, 10:17:47 pm
Not so sure it's 7 languages and a couple of them are essentially the same or close.
Fact is that he's a very smart guy who expresses himself in a way that few can.
He's got a problem though and it's one that for the time being can't be overcome. The good news is that Pete is young and has plenty of time to win the hearts and minds of at least a portion of the nations so called religious right an ultra conservatives.
The mission at hand__defeating Trump, retaking the Senate or both will require candidates that are attractive to Dems, Indy's and a decent share of R's. Mayor Pete fails this test.
Meet Jay Inslee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Inslee
Hi Realtime,
If Buttigieg can produce an agenda that is solid enough for All of America without riding South Bend's *awesome recovery?
*The same recovery that all of us in the rust belt have experienced without his help.
If he can sell an agenda that the educated in America can see as intelligent and helpful for this country (all of this country), he's a sure fire winner.
In my opinion; in this day and age his being Gay can work for him as well as JFK'S being Catholic and Obama's being Black worked for them.
That's my opinion anyway.
I wish I had the time to be a daily poster here, or back on Topix. But I just don't. I try to read as much as I can here and other places.
That said I give a shoutout to Teaman. As much as I detest his politics a part of me understands them and he's always been a civil netizen, Hi Teaman.
Take care all
Post by: Realtime on June 12, 2019, 10:16:04 am
Hi Realtime,Good to see you Jimmy, hows all in Jamestown?
If Buttigieg can produce an agenda that is solid enough for All of America without riding South Bend's *awesome recovery?
*The same recovery that all of us in the rust belt have experienced without his help.
If he can sell an agenda that the educated in America can see as intelligent and helpful for this country (all of this country), he's a sure fire winner.
In my opinion; in this day and age his being Gay can work for him as well as JFK'S being Catholic and Obama's being Black worked for them.
That's my opinion anyway.
I wish I had the time to be a daily poster here, or back on Topix. But I just don't. I try to read as much as I can here and other places.
That said I give a shoutout to Teaman. As much as I detest his politics a part of me understands them and he's always been a civil netizen, Hi Teaman.
Take care all
Well, it's now being reported, and as was predicted by many, the fabulous Trump tax cut is not paying for itself__not even close.
Post by: Teaman on June 12, 2019, 12:27:53 pm
Hi Realtime,
If Buttigieg can produce an agenda that is solid enough for All of America without riding South Bend's *awesome recovery?
*The same recovery that all of us in the rust belt have experienced without his help.
If he can sell an agenda that the educated in America can see as intelligent and helpful for this country (all of this country), he's a sure fire winner.
In my opinion; in this day and age his being Gay can work for him as well as JFK'S being Catholic and Obama's being Black worked for them.
That's my opinion anyway.
I wish I had the time to be a daily poster here, or back on Topix. But I just don't. I try to read as much as I can here and other places.
That said I give a shoutout to Teaman. As much as I detest his politics a part of me understands them and he's always been a civil netizen, Hi Teaman.
Take care all
Hey Jimmy. Good to hear from you again.
Post by: Teaman on June 12, 2019, 12:29:19 pm
Good to see you Jimmy, hows all in Jamestown?
Well, it's now being reported, and as was predicted by many, the fabulous Trump tax cut is not paying for itself__not even close.
True. Although revenues increased, they never cut spending.
Post by: Jimmy on June 18, 2019, 07:33:36 pm
Good to see you Jimmy, hows all in Jamestown?Other than being one of the wettest years I can remember Jamestown is doing OK.
Well, it's now being reported, and as was predicted by many, the fabulous Trump tax cut is not paying for itself__not even close.
They opened the National Comedy Center last year (which is fitting) :) and three new Hotels in the immediate area.
And at least a dozen new mom and pop bars and restaurants.
Where I live; Lakewood which is a suburb, Cummins Engine is going gangbusters and the same for The Southern Tier Brewing company, they've got some great brews and they are national/international now. Not sure if they've made it down to your way yet but if they have at least try an IPA, good stuff.
People learned to use tourism up here once the industrial age died, it had nothing at all to do with the Orange ones tax cuts. Actually his tax cuts hurt the majority of his followers, but I guess it's human nature to live and learn.
The weather is really messing with my riding and general lake stuff though.
Other than all that we probably still have more Rebel flags than you do, and of course the usual influx of migrant workers from Puerto Rico, who are taking all the jobs from the flag wavers.
God I can't wait till they Build That Wall! so they can stop the Puerto Ricans and find something new to cry about. LOL
PS: most all of the PR's come in on a plane but don't tell my neighbors
Post by: Jimmy on June 18, 2019, 07:36:07 pm
Hey Jimmy. Good to hear from you again.Likewise, Teaman.
It's like seeing a familiar face that I've never actually met.
Post by: Texas Pete on June 18, 2019, 08:13:14 pm
Other than being one of the wettest years I can remember Jamestown is doing OK.Lady that works at the post office told me Puerto Rico was in Mexico when I was mailing a package there. I said no it's an island and she said in Mexico right. I just said yes, so I guess the wall will keep the
They opened the National Comedy Center last year (which is fitting) :) and three new Hotels in the immediate area.
And at least a dozen new mom and pop bars and restaurants.
Where I live; Lakewood which is a suburb, Cummins Engine is going gangbusters and the same for The Southern Tier Brewing company, they've got some great brews and they are national/international now. Not sure if they've made it down to your way yet but if they have at least try an IPA, good stuff.
People learned to use tourism up here once the industrial age died, it had nothing at all to do with the Orange ones tax cuts. Actually his tax cuts hurt the majority of his followers, but I guess it's human nature to live and learn.
The weather is really messing with my riding and general lake stuff though.
Other than all that we probably still have more Rebel flags than you do, and of course the usual influx of migrant workers from Puerto Rico, who are taking all the jobs from the flag wavers.
God I can't wait till they Build That Wall! so they can stop the Puerto Ricans and find something new to cry about. LOL
PS: most all of the PR's come in on a plane but don't tell my neighbors
Puerto Ricans out.
Post by: Teaman on June 18, 2019, 10:06:31 pm
Likewise, Teaman.
It's like seeing a familiar face that I've never actually met.
Same here. Maybe some of the old crew with find there way here.
Post by: Realtime on June 19, 2019, 09:52:56 am
Other than being one of the wettest years I can remember Jamestown is doing OK.Southern Tier's seasonal Pumking makes it down here, not sure about the others.
They opened the National Comedy Center last year (which is fitting) :) and three new Hotels in the immediate area.
And at least a dozen new mom and pop bars and restaurants.
Where I live; Lakewood which is a suburb, Cummins Engine is going gangbusters and the same for The Southern Tier Brewing company, they've got some great brews and they are national/international now. Not sure if they've made it down to your way yet but if they have at least try an IPA, good stuff.
People learned to use tourism up here once the industrial age died, it had nothing at all to do with the Orange ones tax cuts. Actually his tax cuts hurt the majority of his followers, but I guess it's human nature to live and learn.
The weather is really messing with my riding and general lake stuff though.
Other than all that we probably still have more Rebel flags than you do, and of course the usual influx of migrant workers from Puerto Rico, who are taking all the jobs from the flag wavers.
God I can't wait till they Build That Wall! so they can stop the Puerto Ricans and find something new to cry about. LOL
PS: most all of the PR's come in on a plane but don't tell my neighbors
Post by: Jimmy on June 20, 2019, 09:46:21 pm
Lady that works at the post office told me Puerto Rico was in Mexico when I was mailing a package there. I said no it's an island and she said in Mexico right. I just said yes, so I guess the wall will keep the
Puerto Ricans out.
heh heh
Sometimes you just have to smile and shake your head.
I was watching the local news when I was posting the other night. The AFL-CIO and a few NYC politicians are trying to push a bill to unionize farm help here. If they succeed it will be the end of every small farm in the state.
Anyway, our local news based in Buffalo sent a roving reporter out to gather public opinion. They managed to find a yokel with about 5 maybe 6 teeth and he did his best to explain how those illegal Puerto Ricans were asking for more money than they were worth and that is why the wall is so important!
I've heard several versions of the same story at different times from different people, this guy was dead serious.
I've got to say, the characters in the South Park cartoons ain't got nothin' on us Western New Yorkers.
Post by: Jimmy on June 20, 2019, 09:49:05 pm
Same here. Maybe some of the old crew with find there way here.Poster Jacques from Ottawa shows up in the member list here but he's never posted.
Post by: Jimmy on June 20, 2019, 09:52:34 pm
Southern Tier's seasonal Pumking makes it down here, not sure about the others.The Pumking coffee is pretty good, I really like their IPA.
I'm still a diehard Labatt Blue drinker though.
The price is right and I can drink it all day without a hangover.
Post by: Jackie on June 20, 2019, 09:56:31 pm
heh heh
Sometimes you just have to smile and shake your head.
I was watching the local news when I was posting the other night. The AFL-CIO and a few NYC politicians are trying to push a bill to unionize farm help here. If they succeed it will be the end of every small farm in the state.
Anyway, our local news based in Buffalo sent a roving reporter out to gather public opinion. They managed to find a yokel with about 5 maybe 6 teeth and he did his best to explain how those illegal Puerto Ricans were asking for more money than they were worth and that is why the wall is so important!
I've heard several versions of the same story at different times from different people, this guy was dead serious.
I've got to say, the characters in the South Park cartoons ain't got nothin' on us Western New Yorkers.
Concerning the Wall, Arizona was swarmed with illegal imigrants, news stories showed how that state became ruined, vacant homes deteriating, crime, drugs, just an abundance of illegals. 30 or more people living in one home, causinf havoc everywhere. The locals
were not having it, and the illegals were kicked out. Now they spread all over the place from state to state.
Post by: Jimmy on June 20, 2019, 10:05:33 pm
Concerning the Wall, Arizona was swarmed with illegal imigrants, news stories showed how that state became ruined, vacant homes deteriating, crime, drugs, just an abundance of illegals. 30 or more people living in one home, causinf havoc everywhere. The localsI know, it is a serious concern here and in England and I suppose in Germany too.
were not having it, and the illegals were kicked out. Now they spread all over the place from state to state.
Where I live we really haven't been affected by the illegals. I know people up here would start a revolt like you speak of in Az.
I wish I had an answer for it, moreover I wish a competent Politician would solve it.
That's what we elect them to do.
Post by: Jackie on June 20, 2019, 10:58:35 pm
I know, it is a serious concern here and in England and I suppose in Germany too.
Where I live we really haven't been affected by the illegals. I know people up here would start a revolt like you speak of in Az.
I wish I had an answer for it, moreover I wish a competent Politician would solve it.
That's what we elect them to do.
They suck up all the resources, its coming to a head now, so I think something will be done.
Post by: Texas Pete on June 27, 2019, 05:56:53 pm
Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost America? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
"Frankly absurd," said one immigration policy expert of Trump's false claims that illegal immigration costs the U.S. more than $200 billion per year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981
Trump says undocumented immigrants are an economic burden. They pay billions in taxes.
Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015. They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes
Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/
Post by: Teaman on June 28, 2019, 10:33:52 am
Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost America? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
"Frankly absurd," said one immigration policy expert of Trump's false claims that illegal immigration costs the U.S. more than $200 billion per year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981
Trump says undocumented immigrants are an economic burden. They pay billions in taxes.
Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015. They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes
Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/
The GAO study in 1995 disagrees. I don't imagine it has gotten any better with the recent influx of illegals.
https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133
Post by: DuckieDoll on June 28, 2019, 11:03:57 am
The GAO study in 1995 disagrees. I don't imagine it has gotten any better with the recent influx of illegals.I believe many Republicans would find material to dispute the facts of today, but 1995 would be outdated. I'd be more inclined to read one of their recent studies.
https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133
Afternoon Teaman, and everyone!
Post by: Teaman on June 28, 2019, 11:38:48 am
I believe many Republicans would find material to dispute the facts of today, but 1995 would be outdated. I'd be more inclined to read one of their recent studies.
Afternoon Teaman, and everyone!
True. There is probably no way of determining an accurate accounting. Trump's figure derives from a report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. I don't know if that's right wing, as you say, or not. That report was published in 2016. A review of the report indicates figures can be manipulated either way. I suppose the biggest cost is the driving down of wages.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/09/immigration-national-academies-sciences-report-fiscal-economic-impact-native-born/
Afternoon, DuckieDoll. Where are you? It's still morning here.
Post by: Realtime on June 28, 2019, 05:41:45 pm
The GAO study in 1995 disagrees. I don't imagine it has gotten any better with the recent influx of illegals.This is a joke right? 1995? And you can't imagine?
https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133
The highest ever was 2000 and lowest in decades was during Obama.
C'mon pal don't you ever think about what you post? Or check?
This here is real (note date)
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs
Post by: Teaman on June 28, 2019, 07:13:52 pm
This is a joke right? 1995? And you can't imagine?
The highest ever was 2000 and lowest in decades was during Obama.
C'mon pal don't you ever think about what you post? Or check?
This here is real (note date)
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs
I believe the subject was Trump's claim that illegal immigrants cost us about 200 billion dollars a year.
Post by: Weepy on June 28, 2019, 07:45:11 pm
This is a joke right? 1995? And you can't imagine?
The highest ever was 2000 and lowest in decades was during Obama.
C'mon pal don't you ever think about what you post? Or check?
This here is real (note date)
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs
No his type are very bad about thinking or checking, too much work...
Post by: DuckieDoll on June 28, 2019, 10:11:54 pm
True. There is probably no way of determining an accurate accounting. Trump's figure derives from a report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. I don't know if that's right wing, as you say, or not. That report was published in 2016. A review of the report indicates figures can be manipulated either way. I suppose the biggest cost is the driving down of wages.Sorry about the mix up Teaman. I'm a dumb a ss before noon 😂 I'm EST, I was just to lazy to modify my afternoon, to morning LoL
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/09/immigration-national-academies-sciences-report-fiscal-economic-impact-native-born/
Afternoon, DuckieDoll. Where are you? It's still morning here.
Post by: Teaman on June 28, 2019, 10:35:10 pm
No his type are very bad about thinking or checking, too much work...
It seems your type can't read. Whether it's 1995 or the 2017 report, illegals don't raise enough revenue to overcome their costs.
Trump used figures from the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report. Take it up with them.
Post by: Weepy on June 28, 2019, 10:39:20 pm
It seems your type can't read. Whether it's 1995 or the 2017 report, illegals don't raise enough revenue to overcome their costs.
Trump used figures from the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report. Take it up with them.
No I am correct when it comes to you...
Post by: Jackie on June 28, 2019, 10:44:04 pm
Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost America? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
"Frankly absurd," said one immigration policy expert of Trump's false claims that illegal immigration costs the U.S. more than $200 billion per year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981
Trump says undocumented immigrants are an economic burden. They pay billions in taxes.
Unauthorized immigrants paid more than $20 billion in income taxes in 2015. They also fund Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes
Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-immigrants-and-public-benefits/
Illegal immigrants don't belong here, they are illegal, get a clue!
Post by: Jackie on June 28, 2019, 10:45:44 pm
The GAO study in 1995 disagrees. I don't imagine it has gotten any better with the recent influx of illegals.
https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-95-133
Oops I was posting on TP's comment not yours, sorry.
Post by: Teaman on June 28, 2019, 11:37:25 pm
No I am correct when it comes to you...
I am not the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Sciences. Their figures, not mine.
Post by: Realtime on June 29, 2019, 08:45:24 am
I believe the subject was Trump's claim that illegal immigrants cost us about 200 billion dollars a year.Here's what you linked, a National Review piece
What Does the National Academies’ Immigration Report Really Say?
By GEORGE J. BORJAS
September 22, 2016 11:30 PM (Take note of date)
You linked a contributor at the National Review using 20 year old data to explain a current problem.
Who falls for sht like that? Borjas is an expert on the subject, certainly he didn't need to cherry pick
data to make his point.
Post by: Teaman on June 29, 2019, 09:50:48 am
Here's what you linked, a National Review piece
What Does the National Academies’ Immigration Report Really Say?
By GEORGE J. BORJAS
September 22, 2016 11:30 PM (Take note of date)
You linked a contributor at the National Review using 20 year old data to explain a current problem.
Who falls for sht like that? Borjas is an expert on the subject, certainly he didn't need to cherry pick
data to make his point.
2016 is only three years ago, Realtime. That was the National Review. It also indicated the data could be manipulated to favor either argument. There is no real way to determine the actual cost.
The 20 year old data was from the government's GAO.
Post by: Realtime on June 29, 2019, 10:08:28 am
2016 is only three years ago, Realtime. That was the National Review. It also indicated the data could be manipulated to favor either argument. There is no real way to determine the actual cost.First graph in your link
The 20 year old data was from the government's GAO.
It turns out, however, that the newer immigrants are not assimilating quite as rapidly as earlier waves. Here’s the table from the report that documents the slowdown of assimilation:
(Table wouldn't link)
This table reports the percent difference in wages between specific immigrant waves and natives at different points in time. The data obviously show a lot of wage growth for immigrants who arrived in the 1960s and 1970s, but far less for immigrants who arrived in the 1980s and 1990s.
In this piece the author also considers generational costs for illegal immigrants. What? The 2nd and 3rd generation would not be illegal as they were born here.
That whole piece is simply fun with numbers.
Post by: Teaman on June 29, 2019, 10:55:13 am
First graph in your link
It turns out, however, that the newer immigrants are not assimilating quite as rapidly as earlier waves. Here’s the table from the report that documents the slowdown of assimilation:
(Table wouldn't link)
This table reports the percent difference in wages between specific immigrant waves and natives at different points in time. The data obviously show a lot of wage growth for immigrants who arrived in the 1960s and 1970s, but far less for immigrants who arrived in the 1980s and 1990s.
In this piece the author also considers generational costs for illegal immigrants. What? The 2nd and 3rd generation would not be illegal as they were born here.
That whole piece is simply fun with numbers.
I agree with that. They can be manipulated to suit anyone's position. No one really knows the cost or lack of it.
Post by: Realtime on June 29, 2019, 01:28:20 pm
I agree with that. They can be manipulated to suit anyone's position. No one really knows the cost or lack of it.Thing is that your link's author Borjas is an expert on the subject but the problem is that he written so many books/articles on the subject with so much data that he's constantly being cherry picked by the like of Fred Eibel and other rightwhack hustlers who are clearly in that game for the buck$.
Borjas wrote that the Marielitos drove down the average wage in the Miami area by over 5% and that data became gospel, across the board for all illegal immigrants and sticks to this day.
In 1980, 125,000 brokeazz illiterate Cuban's, nearly half of them criminals were dumped in South FLA__duh__what would anyone expect to happen? It was a one time event which perhaps still has a negative affect in certain sections of Miami, but is has exactly zero to do with illegal Mexicans or Hondurans harvesting vegetables in the Midwest or installing roofs in my county or yours.
Post by: Teaman on June 29, 2019, 01:35:08 pm
Thing is that your link's author Borjas is an expert on the subject but the problem is that he written so many books/articles on the subject with so much data that he's constantly being cherry picked by the like of Fred Eibel and other rightwhack hustlers who are clearly in that game for the buck$.
Borjas wrote that the Marielitos drove down the average wage in the Miami area by over 5% and that data became gospel, across the board for all illegal immigrants and sticks to this day.
In 1980, 125,000 brokeazz illiterate Cuban's, nearly half of them criminals were dumped in South FLA__duh__what would anyone expect to happen? It was a one time event which perhaps still has a negative affect in certain sections of Miami, but is has exactly zero to do with illegal Mexicans or Hondurans harvesting vegetables in the Midwest or installing roofs in my county or yours.
True. Two Cubans put in a tile floor at my house here.
I remember Castro emptying out his prisons A lot of them ended up in New Joisey.
Post by: Jimmy on September 23, 2019, 02:18:26 pm
Hi Realtime,
If Buttigieg can produce an agenda that is solid enough for All of America without riding South Bend's *awesome recovery?
*The same recovery that all of us in the rust belt have experienced without his help.
If he can sell an agenda that the educated in America can see as intelligent and helpful for this country (all of this country), he's a sure fire winner.
In my opinion; in this day and age his being Gay can work for him as well as JFK'S being Catholic and Obama's being Black worked for them.
That's my opinion anyway.
I wish I had the time to be a daily poster here, or back on Topix. But I just don't. I try to read as much as I can here and other places.
That said I give a shoutout to Teaman. As much as I detest his politics a part of me understands them and he's always been a civil netizen, Hi Teaman.
Take care all
Update: Buttigieg is still the only candidate I will spend my vote on.
I know he's polling less than the big three that I won't even consider. But if he would be more assertive and maybe hire a Tailor or Stylist (whatever you call the person(s) who dresses; chooses the haircuts and puts on the makeup of public figure's) I believe his numbers would soar.
There's a lot to be said for 'a sharp dressed man', look to our past Presidents for validation of that.
And no, there's not a queer bone in my body it's more that I don't care.
For me it's about the Core Values of America and her future, he seems to get it a whole lot better than any of the other contenders.
My God, just listen to what All of the others are offering and the current Dems in power are doing - nothing but useless talk.
It's politics, I know but My God. What a joke.
Post by: Realtime on September 23, 2019, 06:25:57 pm
Update: Buttigieg is still the only candidate I will spend my vote on.You're a thoughtful guy Jimmy__and I'm sure when the time comes you'll cast your vote for whoever is facing off with lyin Don. Any fish biting on Chautauqua this week? Fishing is great here.
I know he's polling less than the big three that I won't even consider. But if he would be more assertive and maybe hire a Tailor or Stylist (whatever you call the person(s) who dresses; chooses the haircuts and puts on the makeup of public figure's) I believe his numbers would soar.
There's a lot to be said for 'a sharp dressed man', look to our past Presidents for validation of that.
And no, there's not a queer bone in my body it's more that I don't care.
For me it's about the Core Values of America and her future, he seems to get it a whole lot better than any of the other contenders.
My God, just listen to what All of the others are offering and the current Dems in power are doing - nothing but useless talk.
It's politics, I know but My God. What a joke.
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x88e726c5bcbca6e5%3A0xab2c855ca60b3708!2m22!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m16!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!2m2!1m1!1e6!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNiwOiVk_I6zAq8bgja_Djz_VG9zliILEIGdSi4%3Dw286-h192-n-k-no!5sfishing%20charters%20ponce%20inlet%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCAQ&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipNpy7_zwFSnQU6gxByEeYkLA_QbogNVQwZGq8M1
Hah!
Post by: Icno on October 16, 2019, 11:51:10 am
I watched the Democratic Debate last night and some of the spin afterwards. I've gotta say, this guy impressed me more than all the other candidates combined. I don't know whether he'll win the nomination or not but I sure hope he's on the ticket.
Post by: Texas Pete on October 16, 2019, 12:00:12 pm
Post by: Icno on October 16, 2019, 12:10:27 pm
I thought Amy did really well.I totally agree she did indeed, and she did it was poise. Her affiliation with John McCain and her experience should make her closer to the front runners. I think her biggest problem, until now, is she's just too nice. A lot of what happens boils down to how much money you have to spend. That and name recognition are what generally keeps the front runners in the front.
Post by: purplelady1040 on October 16, 2019, 12:18:10 pm
I thought Amy did really well.I agree. She did well. Needs to be not as nice but she did well.
Post by: Garthok on October 16, 2019, 12:40:47 pm
Back to Mayor Pete......I agree but I'm unsure if he'll ever gain much traction in the black community because of his orientation.
I watched the Democratic Debate last night and some of the spin afterwards. I've gotta say, this guy impressed me more than all the other candidates combined. I don't know whether he'll win the nomination or not but I sure hope he's on the ticket.
Post by: Jimmy on October 16, 2019, 04:46:19 pm
Back to Mayor Pete......
I watched the Democratic Debate last night and some of the spin afterwards. I've gotta say, this guy impressed me more than all the other candidates combined. I don't know whether he'll win the nomination or not but I sure hope he's on the ticket.
I thought Amy did really well.
This is funny because my wife thought Klobuchar did really well and I still want Buttigieg, but whoever it is has to get a lot tougher than any of them are now.
I still remember the 2016 primaries as I watched in wonder as that orange blob systematically took apart some very seasoned opponents.
It's amazing that a flunky reality wannabe who I've never been able to stomach ran over everything in his way.
Post by: Jimmy on October 16, 2019, 05:00:25 pm
You're a thoughtful guy Jimmy__and I'm sure when the time comes you'll cast your vote for whoever is facing off with lyin Don. Any fish biting on Chautauqua this week? Fishing is great here.Hey Realtime, I need to apologize because I saw this post awhile ago and made a mental note to reply and then I guess I lost my notes. :)
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Hah!
Lol It's a different type of fishing up here, not that deep sea charter stuff but we do get the diehard Musky guys and Bass pros who pizz and moan about everything.
The last couple of years its been this stupid blue green algae that's taking over most of the inland waters, at least up here.
The Kings of Fishers run out their boats and you'd swear it was the first time they've ever been in a boat.
They've been tearing up props like pieces of paper and running to the Marinas crying that's it our fault they need a prop, when all they really need to do is toss the stupid thing in reverse when they windup, but noo (the tourists do the same with rentals too).
Oh well keeps the local machine shops busy rebushing props.
Here's a link of what they fish for up here:
https://tinyurl.com/y5j3utfw
Personally I'm a walk the stream fisherman.
Find a nice spot with a deep hole and park my butt on the bank and toss a worm and bobber in, drink beer and wait for bass and be happy with the sunfish I toss back. Haven't had a chance in quite awhile though.
Sorry this is so long but I don't give myself enough time to keep up online and I wanted to tell you I told my wife we were riding down for bike week 2020 to make a couple of internet guys (you and Teaman) by us a dinner. :)
When she got done laughing she reminded me the last time we went down for that was 2000 and I swore for years after that never again would we leave out of here with 5 feet of snow on the ground, was a blizzard that year and I'm not any younger.
Post by: DuckieDoll on November 19, 2019, 10:44:01 pm
Post by: Help for Dummies on December 06, 2019, 12:37:08 pm
That's not saying a woman can't do the job or hold the job, but I suspect the current list of female candidates can't beat Drumpf and aren't interested in number 2.
I also think that Mayor Pete can't win at the top of the ticket for several reasons.
Post by: Jimmy on December 06, 2019, 07:10:10 pm
Bloomberg can stuff his authoritarian BS into a 32oz Big Gulp and choke on it.
That's as far as he's going anyway.
God Bless America
Post by: Jackie on May 17, 2020, 10:25:47 am
Pete Buttigieg
That has to be a fake name.
Post by: Texas Pete on May 24, 2020, 07:48:18 am
Anthony Buttigieg (born 1962), Maltese politician
Anton Buttigieg (1912–1983), Maltese politician and poet, president of Malta 1976–1981
Chasten Buttigieg (né Glezman; born 1989), teacher, husband of Pete Buttigieg
John Buttigieg (born 1963), Maltese footballer
John Buttigieg (born 1977), Australian rugby league footballer
Joseph Buttigieg (1947–2019), Maltese-American literary scholar, professor and translator
Mark Buttigieg (born 1966), Australian politician, member of the New South Wales Legislative Council
Michael Franciscus Buttigieg (1793–1866), Maltese priest, Bishop of Gozo
Pete Buttigieg (born 1982), American democrat politician
Ray Buttigieg (born 1955), Maltese poet and musician
Robbie Buttigieg (1936–2004), Maltese footballer
Post by: anonymous on November 12, 2022, 10:47:57 am
Post by: PC on November 19, 2022, 04:53:35 pm
Pete is young and smart!I would vote for him.
Post by: Waco1909 on November 25, 2022, 09:56:23 pm
I would vote for him.No doubt. None at all.
Post by: Waco1909 on November 25, 2022, 09:57:34 pm
Buttigieg (Maltese: Buttiġieġ [bʊtːɪd͡ʒɪːt͡ʃ]) is a Maltese surname, derived from Sicilian Arabic أبو الدجاج Abu-d-dajāj(i), meaning 'chicken owner, poulterer' (literally 'father of chickens').[1] People with the name include:Buttigieg is also a noted moron.
Anthony Buttigieg (born 1962), Maltese politician
Anton Buttigieg (1912–1983), Maltese politician and poet, president of Malta 1976–1981
Chasten Buttigieg (né Glezman; born 1989), teacher, husband of Pete Buttigieg
John Buttigieg (born 1963), Maltese footballer
John Buttigieg (born 1977), Australian rugby league footballer
Joseph Buttigieg (1947–2019), Maltese-American literary scholar, professor and translator
Mark Buttigieg (born 1966), Australian politician, member of the New South Wales Legislative Council
Michael Franciscus Buttigieg (1793–1866), Maltese priest, Bishop of Gozo
Pete Buttigieg (born 1982), American democrat politician
Ray Buttigieg (born 1955), Maltese poet and musician
Robbie Buttigieg (1936–2004), Maltese footballer